I am evil for this and I admit it.
Seat belts laws should not be enforced on adults.
A windshield dive is a good cure for stupid, I bet a lot of MAGA would literally go out like that.
Comment on I feel like if asbestos was banned today there'd be a huge pro-asbestos movement
andros_rex@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’m in a comment war with a nicotine denialist on here now!
In the 90s, there were still tons of people angry about seat belt laws. It’s every Americans God Given Right to fly out of the windshield and probably kill someone else.
Wilco@lemm.ee 11 months ago
T00l_shed@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Trauma, potential physical harm to others. A whole set of reasons they should be enforced. I get what you’re saying though.
Wilco@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Oh, I know it’s a bad point of view. In my defense I live in a no motorcycle helmet state. As long as you carry the insurance for it.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That is so fucking stupid lol. I guess you’re in a freedumb state?
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Aren’t belts not required in Utah
Also there are pro-asbestos movements
andros_rex@lemmy.world 11 months ago
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Guess I’m just old
hakunawazo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
bss03@infosec.pub 11 months ago
Where’d you get a picture off all my elder family members in one place!? (j/k)
andros_rex@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Don’t forget airbags have also killed people.
conditional_soup@lemm.ee 11 months ago
As a left libertarian, I have a hard time arguing against seatbelt laws. As in, I know they aren’t consistent with my ideology, but the outcomes of having these laws are so much better than not having them. The only thing that I can say against them is that they’re one of the more commonly used bullshit pretexts for initiating traffic stops. I rationalize this trade off and violation of ideals by pointing out that the government has created a fucked up transportation market by enforcing car centrism.
andros_rex@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I think the argument is more about the impact on others. If you aren’t wearing a seatbelt, you become a projectile that can harm others - both in your car and outside of your car.
In general, I agree that ideologically it’s a little uncomfortable to dictate personal choices, but when it comes to road safety I think the government has reasonable grounds to enforce certain expectations (same with things like insurance.)
It is uncomfortable to give police more pretenses to stop people but road safety perhaps is one of those things we could have a hypothetical “good police force” take care of.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Even better, people in the 80s when drinking and driving was made illegal: youtu.be/2xcQIoh3FQQ
BakerBagel@midwest.social 11 months ago
Still meet plenty of people who drink beer in the car
andros_rex@lemmy.world 11 months ago
My step dad had like 4 or 5 DUIs. When I was in elementary school, me and my siblings would get the privilege of “helping” start the car by showing how awesome we were at breathing!
Like, if you can afford the lawyers and coke off as the right kind of good ol’ boy it doesn’t seem to matter. I think at one point he got weekend prison. He’d drive us to school with a high ball sitting in the center console.
BakerBagel@midwest.social 11 months ago
Lot of people in my town with “party plates”. Yellow plate with red letters to signal to cops that you are a frequent DUI fiend. No clue how youend up with those instead of just having your license revoked
Glitterbomb@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Real men aren’t held back by anything! The belt restricts blood flow through the body! It’s a globalist conspiracy to turn our men into women!
Cargon@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Imagine having a heart so weak that a little piece of fabric over your chest restricts your blood flow.
Squirrelanna@lemmynsfw.com 11 months ago
Real Chad’s don’t let some dumb straps stop them from pumping blood like a REAL PATRIOT! B)
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 11 months ago
People are emotional. They feel things, and then make up justifications for it afterwards. We all do this to some extent, in some contexts or others, but some people seem to do it the majority of the time.
Someone who smokes and has a choice between admitting they fucked up, they’re hurting themselves and those around them, OR denying it so they’re just a persecuted innocent? A lot of people will go for the latter. It’s weakness and cowardice, but saying that won’t change their mind. If results are wanted we have to do the very arduous task of massaging their emotions and I kind of resent that thankless, endless, work. Even though I almost certainly am the same way about other things.
Humans are a mess.
thejoker954@lemmy.world 11 months ago
As a former smoker (now vaper) I understand and agree with non smokers about smoking inside.
However the people who bitch about smokers outside in public piss me off.
Yes my cigarette (now vape) is soooooo much worse than the exhaust of the thousands of cars /generators/construction equipment and so on that are constantly running all around us.
But out of sight out of mind. They can’t see all that exhaust shit so it doesn’t exist - But those fucking smokers how dare they.
slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 11 months ago
I stop bitching about smokers when they manage to not throw their garbage everywhere.
And yes i know, of course you are the one smoker that has a pocket ashtray.
thejoker954@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Lol, I actually did when I smoked cigs. I can’t stand littering.
I also manage to return my cart even in shitty weather ;)
scintilla@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I have asthma and when I walk past a smoker it makes it harder for me to breathe for a while afterwards. I don’t have the same issue with vapes though so I don’t really care about those even inside of they smell nice.
SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Some of us do struggle to breathe around vapes though. Not as bad as cigarettes but it’s still a problem
Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
I haven’t seen any car exhausts walking right next to me on the sidewalk though.
andros_rex@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yes my cigarette (now vape) is soooooo much worse than the exhaust of the thousands of cars /generators/construction equipment and so on that are constantly running all around us.
The problem is that nicotine itself isn’t a carcinogen, but increases the effectiveness of other carcinogens. So like, the nic is going to make that car exhaust/etc more harmful.
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 11 months ago
I also get mad at people who drive cars instead of walking or taking mass transit, if that helps.
But someone smoking near you makes your day undeniably, immediately, worse.
If you’re sitting in a room that smells uncomfortably of cheese, and someone rips a juicy fart on your face, it would be unreasonable to be like “who cares about my shart it smells like cheese in here”
JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I don’t breath in exhaust either, fully concentrated. I have as much of a problem with diffused cigarette smoke as diffused exhaust, but I fucking hate smokers that make me breath in their second hand fully potent, carcinogenic, horrible smelling smoke.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 11 months ago
My father was an anti-seatbelter up until 2010-ish, when he got a newer car with a better seatbelt system.