Honestly, emergency braking with LIDAR is mature and cheap enough at this point that is should be mandated for all new cars.
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Gork@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Lidar needs to be a mandated requirement for these systems.
HK65@sopuli.xyz 4 weeks ago
Nastybutler@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
No, emergency braking with radar is mature and cheap. Lidar is very expensive and relatively nascent
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
How about we disallow it completely, until it’s proven to be SAFER than a human driver. Because, why even allow it if it’s only as safe?
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
As an engineer, I strongly agree with requirements based on empirical results rather than requiring a specific technology. The latter never ages well. Thank you.
scarabic@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s hardly either / or though. What we have here is empirical data showing that cars without lidar perform worse. So it’s based in empirical results to mandate lidar. You can also build a clear, robust requirement around a tech spec. You cannot build a clear, robust law around fatality statistics targets.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
We frequently build clear, robust laws around mandatory testing. Like that recent YouTube video where the Tesla crashed through a wall, but with crash test dummies.
scarabic@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This sounds good until you realize how unsafe human drivers are. People won’t accept a self-driving system that’s only 50% safer than humans, because that will still be a self-driving car that kills 20,000 Americans a year. Look at the outrage right here, and we’re nowhere near those numbers. I also don’t see anyone comparing these numbers to human drivers on any per-mile basis. Waymos compared favorably to human drivers in their most recently released data. Does anyone even know where Teslas stand compared to human drivers?
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
There’s been 54 reported fatalities involving their software over the years.
That’s around 10 billion AP miles (9 billion at end of 2024), and around 3.6 billion on the various version of FSD (beta / supervised). Most of the fatal accidents happened on AP though not FSD.
Lets just double those fatal accidents to 108 to make it for the world, but that probably skews high.
That equates to 1 fatal accident every 98 million miles.
The USA average per 100 million is 1.33 deaths, so even doubling the deaths it’s less than the current national average.
echodot@feddit.uk 4 weeks ago
Or at least something other than just cameras. Even can just adding ultrasonic senses to the front would be an improvement.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The range on ultrasonics is too short. They only ever get used for parking type situations, not driving on the roadways.