This is mainly because consumer 3d printer have been developped by 3d printing enthusiast first and not a company, Prusa which was leader for some time used a lot of open sources project to build their printers. As it’s getting mainstream as time goes by more and more companies shows up with closed sources project sadly.
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drmoose@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It’s funny how far ahead 3d printers are in terms of consumer experience, everything is open, everything works and the tech is like 300 times more complex.
2D printer companies should be shamed to death.
paf@jlai.lu 1 month ago
xnx@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
Isn’t prusa now doing anti consumer / closed source stuff?
sanpo@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
Aren’t you confusing them with Bambu?
Their slicer is based on Prusa’s exactly because Prusa isn’t doing closed source.
paf@jlai.lu 1 month ago
One of the latest Prusa printer is closed source If I remember correctly Core xy
paf@jlai.lu 1 month ago
You are not completely wrong, they have one printer with closed sources.
Ulrich@feddit.org 1 month ago
They’re actually behind. 3D printers are a much newer industry. Most industries start out super open, competitive and collaborative. This speeds up development to consumer-grade products. Eventually one or two companies gain sufficient marketshare to start enforcing anti-consumer shitfuckery. Look at the recent drama with Bambu printers and you’ll find that’s exactly what’s happening. It’s a tale as old as time.
drmoose@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Enshitification is the word of this century
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Of this species.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
The consumer getting a product is just a byproduct of generating profits.
superkret@feddit.org 1 month ago
2D printers used to be like this.
They all worked with open, universal drivers, no additional software, and any ink cartridge that fit inside the bay.
But then companies figured out that people will just buy the cheapest printer on offer, regardless of everything else.tal@lemmy.today 1 month ago
I think that if one wants to change this, it probably involves some kind of regulation that affects how people shop, or at least a shift in social norms, so that some kind of metric of over-time cost is prominently featured next to the up-front price on goods.
We’ve seen shifts like that before.
There was a point in time where it was normal, in the United States, to haggle over the prices of goods. It really wasn’t all that long ago. Today, that virtually doesn’t exist at all, except for over a very few big-ticket items, like cars and houses.
The change started when some people…I think Quakers…decided to start selling their goods with a no-haggle policy. NPR Planet Money did an episode on it some time back…lemme see if I can go dig it up.
Yeah, here we are:
www.npr.org/transcripts/415287577
:::spoiler Relevant snippet
Episode 633: The Birth And Death Of The Price Tag
JIANG: The whole world I’ve known is in this price-tag world. Everything has a price, one price.
GOLDSTEIN: But when you take the long view of the historical world, this price-tag world is like a bizarre aberration. You know, for almost all of the history of human commerce - for thousands of years - you walk into a store, and you point to something. And you say, how much does that cost? The guy at the store is going to say, how much you got? You know, everything was a negotiation. And there were good reasons the world was this way.
JIANG: Say I have a store and - I don’t know - I’m selling eggs. And a guy walks in, and he looks like he has all day to haggle. And he’s really been scouting out the best place to buy eggs. So I sell him a dozen eggs for a buck 50.
GOLDSTEIN: So then, a few minutes later, somebody else comes in. This guy’s wearing fancy shoes, clearly does not have a lot of time to haggle. So you sell him eggs for twice as much. You sell him eggs for 3 bucks.
JIANG: Each customer pays what they think is a fair price. I make a profit. We all win.
GOLDSTEIN: This was just the way things were, and almost everybody accepted it, everybody except this one religious group, the Quakers. Robert Phillips, the consultant we talked about the Coke thing, he said the Quakers did this really fringy, radical thing.
PHILLIPS: They would have a fixed price. The Quaker would - the merchant would say what the price is, and that price would be the same for everybody.
GOLDSTEIN: That’s it. Having one price for each item, that was the Quakers’ radical thing. They thought haggling was just fundamentally unfair. They thought charging different people different prices for the same thing was morally wrong.
JIANG: You can imagine walking into a store and pointing to a dozen eggs and getting all fired up to do an egg haggle.
GOLDSTEIN: Let’s go. Let’s do this.
JIANG: And then your friend, like, kind of elbows you and says, no, no, this is a Quaker store.
GOLDSTEIN: No haggling. No haggling here.
JIANG: What are you doing?
GOLDSTEIN: Yeah, the Quakers were definitely, definitely in a real minority with this no-haggle thing.
JIANG: But as the modern economy got going in the 1800s and businesses starting getting bigger and bigger, haggle worlds got to be a hassle.
GOLDSTEIN: You know, if you are running a store, if you’re working at a store, you need to know a lot to haggle. You need to know how much you paid for the stuff, how much your competitors are selling it for. You need to know how much different customers are willing to pay. Robert Phillips says you couldn’t just hire some kid on summer vacation to come and sell stuff at your store.
PHILLIPS: Clerks usually had long apprenticeships before they could actually be allowed behind the counter. So they had to spend a couple of years learning the business.
GOLDSTEIN: Years?
PHILLIPS: Yeah, typically. Learning how to haggle before you would let them be left alone.
JIANG: Haggling is a pain for customers, too. Imagine you’re at some store and there are five people in front of you in line. And you have to wait for them to all go through that haggling process before you can buy your shirts or whatever.
GOLDSTEIN: So finally around 1870, a few people decided to take a big risk. They decided to break with haggle world. They invented the price tag, this actual piece of paper stuck on each thing that tells you the price - not some starting offer subject to negotiation, but the price. And inventing the price tag was not just about fairness or what was morally right; it was about building really big stores.
PHILLIPS: Two stores here in New York, Macy’s. And Macy was a Quaker. And he featured fixed prices. The most famous one was Wanamaker’s in Philadelphia.
JIANG: Wanamaker and Macy’s, they’re building these new things, these department stores. And they’re trying to hire all of these clerks, but they don’t want to train them for years and have them become master hagglers. So the price tag solves this problem. It makes it easy for them to hire the clerks.
PHILLIPS: All they had to do was be essentially what clerks are today, you know, knowledgeable about the fabric. Oh, madam, this would look wonderful on you. They didn’t have to do pricing. They didn’t have to haggle. They didn’t have to know the cost of items.
JIANG: Wanamaker becomes this kind of evangelist for the price tag. He says, look, the price tag, it means you, the customer, you don’t have to arm wrestle with the clerk anymore when you buy things.
PHILLIPS: There’s no longer a war between the seller and the buyer, which is what he called the higgling and the haggling. Everyone can come into Wanamaker’s and know they will be treated the same.
JIANG: Customers loved it. The price tag spread. It was everywhere.
:::
That wasn’t driven by regulation, but by consumer preference. Consumers (usually, outside maybe upscale restaurants) demand to see the up-front cost of something they buy before buying it. So it’s possible that if costs keep shifting from the up-front cost that we can readily see at the time of purchase into over-time costs that we cannot as readily see, we might see consumers just refuse to buy items from retailers that don’t also show some kind of a reasonable over-time cost also visible.
Or maybe the government could require some level of disclosure of over-time costs to be shown when selling an item, they way they standardized display of credit card interest rates.
JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 1 month ago
Don’t worry. Companies like Bambu and others are trying to lock down shift their printer business in the style of 2d printer companies. I hope it at least happens very slowly, but the enshittification is happening…
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
3d print a 2d printer shell and sell the internals separately?
Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 1 month ago
and to be as amoral as possible.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Has anyone figured out how to 3d print a 2d printer yet?
echodot@feddit.uk 1 month ago
There is a piece of software which will take a word document and convert it into an embossed 3D print file. So you could always just skip the middleman and 3D print yourself a plaque version of your document instead.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Just print it, roll some ink on it and slap a sheet of paper on top. There you go, printing 2.0 or something.
superkret@feddit.org 1 month ago
That sounds like a 15th century printing press with extra steps.
frezik@midwest.social 1 month ago
There are some projects out there that do the entire frame. Steppers, hotend, and control boards are out of reach. There’s some hypothetical ways you could do it, but it’d be far more expensive than buying off the shelf stuff and probably get worse results. Even the frames tend to take a lot of filament.
It’s more of a nice idea than something practical.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Has anyone figured out how to 3d print a 2d printer yet?
kent_eh@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
It’s not that hard to convert a cheap 3D printer into a pen plotter is you want to do some 2D printing.
Dirk@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Except those who aren’t.
AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Idk if the tech for 3d printers is really more complex. All of the parts are readily available, basically nothing needs to be specially made except the hot end (one single metal part)
The consumer experience for 2d printers worse IMO but that’s probably because I’m stuck on Windows with its terrible printing system
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Over time as 3D printers go from tinkerer’s toy to household staple, I’d expect them to become more locked down and anti-consumer.
CandleTiger@programming.dev 1 month ago
Bambu is working on it already — can’t print unless you’re connected to the internet and send your files through their server, can’t connect to the printer with other slicers besides their slicer.
They had to walk that back some; there is now a “developer mode” where old standard functionality is still exposed, but they’re clearly working as hard as they can to turn it shitty.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 month ago
By my count, it’s been tried twice.
anomnom@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Makerbot after the Stratasys buyout.
There were a bunch of companies that tried right after the FDM patents expired in 2009. Most of them were completely forgotten or ignored because they were closed source (and more importantly closed material) companies and never got very far off the starting blocks.
Bamboo learned from them and decided to pull the rug out after getting a foothold with finally selling decent prebuilt hardware for less than a fortune (see Ultimaker before buying out MakerBot at least).
PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Makers by Cory Doctorow is a great novel that explores exactly this.
echodot@feddit.uk 1 month ago
They would have to become sci-fi level capable before they would be considered household staple items.