Also Bluesky isn’t an alternative to big tech, it IS big tech. I wish it wasn’t stealing so much of our publicity lately.
This; I’m so sick of hearing it pop up when people mention alternative.
imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
I wish he had mentioned Lemmy, but it’s understandable that he didn’t. Also Bluesky isn’t an alternative to big tech, it IS big tech. I wish it wasn’t stealing so much of our publicity lately.
But beggars can’t be choosers, and we have seen some nice growth over the past couple months. John Oliver fans are the perfect candidates to join the fediverse, hopefully some of them find their way to Lemmy.
tomenzgg@midwest.social 6 days ago
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 6 days ago
I’m not sure anyone mentions bluesky as an alternative to big tech.
Pretty sure they only mention it as an alternative to musk/X.
Pika@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
This right here, the everyday person doesn’t know what federation is let alone believes that it’s an alternative to confederated platforms. They see it as a better Twitter that’s not run by Musk and honestly that’s all they need to know.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Holy shit! A sane rational Lemmy user in the /c/Fediverse community! Someone who sees the bigger picture, and isn’t just reacting to this small niche area of the internet.
Look, I love Lemmy, but I can’t sit by and act like just because something is a better service, and makes logical sense to use, that people will ever have even heard of it. That’s not how PEOPLE work. Yes, Lemmy is better than reddit. But no, Lemmy will not overtake reddit in usercount maybe in my lifetime. Unless reddit gets sold, and then plummets into death like myspace did. Then Lemmy wins by default, but it’s not the same thing.
And
everyone(well, everyone but you I guess) most people on this community seems to miss all that.Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
They haven’t gone through the churn of corporate emshittification enough yet I’d have to guess.
commander@lemmings.world 5 days ago
and honestly that’s all they need to know.
Err… why are we suggesting the corporate-owned and centralized bluesky over Mastodon then?
zqps@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
The thing that it really has going for itself is that it simply isn’t twitter. And Muskler made sure that’s a huge deal.
taiyang@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Using it myself, this is technically true but also it’s literally Twitter pre-takeover-- like a fork all the tolerable people started using. You’ve got your George Takei and your Stephen King, etc, so it’s what left of center normies can enjoy without being a little too far (like us, here).
If I’m being honest, I prefer to mix the two communities because a little too much Fediverse can make you go crazy, plus I spread Lemmy ideology there cause someone’s gotta bring up class warfare and Linux, right?
zqps@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
Oh I agree. I’m just not there because twitter was never my thing. Keep up the fediverse propaganda, comrade.
OpenStars@piefed.social 6 days ago
John Oliver fans are the perfect candidates to join the fediverse, hopefully some of them find their way to Lemmy.
Too late - we are already here!:-P
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 5 days ago
rumba@lemmy.zip 5 days ago
How can anyone not love the guy?
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 5 days ago
I think he plays the awkward card to actual cringe levels at times but I’ll also watch Cody’s Showdy so that can’t be it entirely.
Can’t say I love him, but I do appreciate the work he does.
Twista713@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Haha, yeah Cody has definitely made me cringe out of discomfort before. I haven’t watched that guy in awhile! Appreciate the reminder. And Oliver can get close to that level too, for sure.
otter@lemmy.ca 6 days ago
Indirectly, looking up “John Oliver Mastodon” brings up this post in the top few. “John Oliver Pixelfed” has this post as the first option
So we’re not completely left out :)
JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 days ago
Exactly, don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. Someone using BlueSky over Twitter is a good thing.
commander@lemmings.world 5 days ago
We still shouldn’t be doing the dirty work of rich people for them.
We should all be promoting Mastodon over the centralized and corporate-owned bluesky.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 days ago
Talk to John Oliver then.
commander@lemmings.world 5 days ago
There are plenty of naive people on here also shilling bluesky over Mastodon.
moseschrute@lemmy.world 6 days ago
I agree, but I also think we should remember a loss for musk is a win for society
balder1991@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Do you really think Lemmy could handle the amount of people that Reddit has?
As far as I know the existing instances are usually running on capacity and always in need of donations, and that’s when the owner isn’t handling the costs themselves. I’m not sure how well most instances have right now.
Maybe Lemmy would benefit of some way to get people to pay, such as giving people awards etc. like Reddit. Despite being useless stuff, it might provide some fun that would make hardcore users want to pay. But for that to work out, all apps would also need to show the posts awarded in a different way, so I think that’s unlikely.
But the point is that without a business model, the Fediverse will only be able to handle enthusiasts.
rumba@lemmy.zip 5 days ago
Do you really think Lemmy could handle the amount of people that Reddit has?
yup. no question. Not one instance mind you, but Reddit is also a giant cluster. (and clusterfuck)
As far as I know the existing instances are usually running on capacity and always in need of donations,
We just need the big bois to stop stuffing themselves. There’s 0 reason to have 2/3 of the totally traffic flooding into world because people are scared of Federation that they never even have to deal with.
Maybe Lemmy would benefit of some way to get people to pay, such as purchasing the ability to give people awards etc.
Maybe we make some premium pay servers with baller architecture, killer response time, user capacity limits and high speed storage?
But the point is that without a business model, the Fediverse will only be able to handle a limited number of enthusiasts before it faces scaling problems.
Eventually, it’s going to be ads, donations or payments. It’s all someone else’s computer, someone has to foot the bill. But at great scale, you should be able to have an ad-free experience for something in the range a dollar or two a month.
balder1991@lemmy.world 5 days ago
I wouldn’t mind having some ads, but I wonder how some more extremists users would react.
But I strongly believe that depending on donations is a very tough place to be, it places the burden of “begging” on the instance owners, which are already doing all the work and should definitely be compensated somehow.
Emperor@feddit.uk 5 days ago
But I strongly believe that depending on donations is a very tough place to be
If you get a good deal on hosting then, on medium-sized instance donations easily cover costs. lemmy.world suggests this can scale up a lot even if you need more complex systems in place to deal with demand.
rumba@lemmy.zip 5 days ago
which are already doing all the work and should definitely be compensated somehow.
That’s why I donate monthly to my instance :)
A pretty decent sized instance managed will uses a few boxes and some CDN, runs a couple to a few hundred a month, it doesn’t take that many people paying to cover it.
It’s not as bad managing the smaller instances. The app works like it says on the tin until you get really big.
IMO lemmy.world let themselves get WAY bigger than they should have. They had to start doing a hell of a lot more work to keep the thing up.
PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 5 days ago
It costs me less than $10/mo to run mine and some of that is because I have to pay for an email forwarder until my hosting provider lets me start sending emails, part of that is factoring the cost of the domain name. The actual cloud server costs $5/mo right now.
rumba@lemmy.zip 5 days ago
Yeah, you can get away with really cheap operations up until you start blowing through your cdn and communication budget
DefectiveFoundation@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Isn’t it easier to handle most users on on server than it is to have a bunch of equal servers? Then the problem just moves off the one server towards the communication between the servers being the bottleneck.
rumba@lemmy.zip 5 days ago
The way lemmy (and federation) works, it needs to do a bunch of operations that can’t happen simultaneously, so there’s a job queue. The queue needs to do some database operations and a bunch of communication operations and each of the jobs needs to reach out to distant servers that may or may not be overwhelmed themselves.
You start with one server it costs almost nothing to host. Sooner or later you want to split out the job servers, then you end up needing to split out the database, when you start getting that many people on your server now you want to consider fault tolerance, Even after tuning you can only fit so many simultaneous users on a web server, you end up needing to do some load balancing. The next step would be trying to split it up geography-wise.
That’s scaling up and it’s what big companies do and it’s very expensive but easy for a small team to manage.
Lemmy on the other hand is designed to be scaled out, running smaller individual user bases on lighter hardware with a bunch of individual administrators instead of a organized team.
If people want to be on a large single cluster application Reddit is still there.
I like what we have a lot better.
Zagorath@lemm.ee 5 days ago
LW definitely can’t handle more traffic than it already has. It already (thanks to the admins’ refusal to update to the latest version of Lemmy) takes multiple days for LW content to get federated to other instances properly, which is why I’ve had to switch over to this alt account of mine because there are zero comments on this post in my main instance. With more users, that delay would grow from days to potentially weeks.
Novice_Idiot@lemmy.wtf 5 days ago
John Oliver being uploaded to YouTube is awesome! I should comment that Lemmy is a great Reddit alternative
muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 6 days ago
I’m really not happy about bluesky their fragmentation of the fediverse protocols is only going to harm us in the long run.
knova@infosec.pub 6 days ago
Intentionally, I think.
muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 5 days ago
That’s what I suspect
Natanael@infosec.pub 5 days ago
Have you heard of bridgy?
Zagorath@lemm.ee 5 days ago
IMO bridgy is not well designed. The fact that it requires both the follower and the followee to specifically opt in basically makes it DOA. Both Mastodon and BlueSky are completely open and public in terms of post visibility, so bridgy should have been designed to require explicit opt outs from anyone who didn’t want their content bridged.
knova@infosec.pub 4 days ago
Yes, but it’s not relevant to the point I was making
rumba@lemmy.zip 5 days ago
shrug, I wish they were with us, but they are also a big ole corporate entity, so I’m kind ok with us staying our our side of the fence. As they need to implement payment and corporate protections to their network, we’re free to be free over here.
We don’t have to play ball. not with them anyway,
I think, If we have any credible threat, it’s going to be from the Governmental gross anti-tampering laws, forced moderation, or backup regulations. They could make it legally difficulty for us to exist.
kudra@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
This. I have considerable concern that Fascists will straight up ban Fedi if enough people shift to it. They don’t like not being able to control everything, Fedi is far too much actual freedom of communication.
muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 5 days ago
The thing about fedi is how do u stop it. Ban every instances ip? make it illegal to use? They can try but they will have very little success.
Dil@is.hardlywork.ing 5 days ago
Bluesky was always twitters goal, they were losing hella money, so they devloped blue sky.