Comment on Flohmarkt - a Fediverse replacement for Facebook Marketplace
axum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
The name has already made this nonviable for the average person
It’s not that bad. It’s just German for flea market. And English speakers shouldn’t have an issue with at least “Markt”. Not far from a cognate.
Definitely better names but I think the bigger hurdle is getting the critical mass to get something like marketplace to work in the fediverse even with the perfect name.
Yep. It’s kind of annoying when people see everything through an “english” lense and assume anything that isn’t made to work for english speakers won’t work…
Op has a point. Even English names that succeed internationally are somewhat bound by the ability of speakers of other languages to spell and pronounce the name. Y’all are here acting like what they’re saying is hateful or something…
Its even more important to use various word from various language.
English as default also resulting American culture as the most prominent culture.
Newer generation are more acceptable to outside culture, so this will be work. Not to forget, the rest of non-English society already operate in multi language society and get exposed for various culture.
Years ago, people heavily localized Angliscize a lot of Asian media, but now, people are more accepting foreign naming convention. Just take a look at various FOSS porject in Japanese, Hindi, Persia, or Finnish.
But telling a friend about this starts with the name. Simple names are easier. And that would just start with making it short. Single syllable being best.
Like eBay, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon?
Isn’t this more like the software you’d use to build whatever local (but maybe federated) site? Like, you don’t ask your friend if they’ve been on Shopify or Squarespace lately.
Yeah, possibly. Depends – if the data is federated between instances (which I assumed) you could have access to the whole world’s market and it would still be useful if there was a feature that allowed you filter out locations you’re not currently interested in.
what some people don’t get is that “flea market” is also a bad name. floh just makes it look and sound worse and it’s harder to parse let alone understand and therefore remember.
german looks notoriously complicated for people who dont speak it
The sentence structure is kinda wonky coming from English, but the vocab isn’t bad. There are tons of cognates.
Does it? If you set up an instance for your local community/city/whatever, and name it something that makes sense for your intended userbase, I think it would be fine.
It goes from “I sold my couch on FlohMarkt” to “I sold my couch on Local Ottawa Marketplace” for the ‘normies’ out there. They’re not going to care about the underlying software so long as their couch gets sold.
Do recommend a DIY local advertising strategy if trying to get something like this running, though - posters at IRL flea markets, adverts in small community papers for antiques and collectibles, crossposts/links to postings on stuff like MaxSold/Kijiji/Craigslist/GumTree/FB Marketplace/[insert online marketplace operating in your area],that kind of thing.
Focus on the current primary use case of centralized marketplace services (buying shit from your neighbours), then introduce the “Oh yeah, we’ve also set it up so you can see postings on Local Toronto Marketplace, Local Kingston Marketplace, Marché Local de Montréal” etc. from there.
I really, really think talking to people in terms of specific instances over the overarching platform/protocol is a way around ‘normie’ confusion about the Fediverse when first trying it, then getting exposure to how it works in practice will help them understand the nitty gritty stuff better. Is this problematic in some cases, like with Lemmy? A little bit, yeah. For something like FlohMarkt? I think less so.
(‘normie’ in quotes 'cause I’m not the biggest fan of the term, but it’s a useful shorthand)
This! It’s just the name of the software, not sure why everyone’s getting so worked up about it.
I think it’s a brilliant use case for federation, hope this sees some adoption!
SPEAK
Germans speak or not as ör out. When you us imitate want, then make it pleasly right!
Sabbel ma nich so vonner seit döspaddel
I have myself apparently mistaken, I please about apology. In future will I try, no generalized sentence about Germans to do.
I can’t understand why every other fediverse name is so stupid as to be off putting to the average user.
Seems to me pretty much an even spread of how good the names are
For other Fediverse software:
Lemmy is a stupid god awful name.
The first result you get on google is a dead singer. Every other search you will have him on the front page instead of what you’re trying to find. Contrast this to searching for something from reddit.
Case in point guitar reviews lemmy vs guitar reviews reddit
Oh look, the Queen of Naming has spoken! Everything should just be named “Facebook something” or “Twitter that”.
wow what an interesting sarcastic remark about something the op never said.
iMarket is better? gStore? 銷 !
“gStore” sounds… suspicious. XD
“Facebook” is an equally alienating name if you don’t know English. But I agree, German is difficult!
Uber.
it’s not that it’s German (or whatever), it’s that it looks gibberish. it’s incredible how little this is understood.
Uber is an easily read, easily pronounced, widely understood, positive suggesting trochee. it’s a perfect brand name.
flohmarkt 0 for 5.
Even Floh is a bit better 😕 .
Kichae@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
We have to stop sending end users to software solutions for web admins. We don’t send them yo “nginx” or “apache”, after all.
Someone throw up a website using this software and give the site a sensible name, and then direct users to that website.
brbposting@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Flohcebook Marktplace
Temperche@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
Fleabook
danc4498@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Flohcebook mohktplohce
Gigasser@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Just call it Floh Market or just Floh. Flow Market or Just “Flow” would be good too.
AlreadyDefederated@midwest.social 4 weeks ago
I like just “Floh”, even if it does just mean “flea” in German.
Mac@mander.xyz 4 weeks ago
Possibly even Floh Market or just Floh would also be good.
leadore@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Fleabuch Maktplatz
shades@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
You wanna pay for that hosting? No? Okay then.