Comment on Justin Trudeau resigns as Canadian prime minister - live updates

Xanis@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• Strykker@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Shits kinda on fire and it’s probably like 50% the USs fault.

  But we kind of tend to start getting pissy with our pms after about 10 years,

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  • thefartographer@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Is it 50% our fault in a “look what you made me do” kind of way, or did we actively intervene in something? It’s hard to keep up with all the ways we’re fucking people these days…

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    • Zorque@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It’s the US’s fault in the way that taking ownership of your own countries faults is painful.

      Theres definitely

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      • thefartographer@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Do you mind providing examples? I just remember some crazy shit going on with truckers that felt super-USA-influenced, but I don’t even remember what happened nor did I ever understand the nuances.

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    • PolarisFx@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Tariffs.

      We’re connected to the US in so many ways that the tariffs scared the shit out of everyone provincially and federally.

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• gift_of_gab@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Trudeau is poison to the Liberal brand. In Canada we don’t vote parties in, we vote parties (and leaders) out. Trudeau has been PM for just over 9 years, the 7th longest serving PM.

  What will happen is we’ll vote the Cons in, they’ll make hilariously huge mistakes like they always do, get 1-2 terms, then get voted out in favour of another Liberal government. If you go back throughout our history we have almost exactly 2-1 Lib - Con governments by time in office.

  Poilievre is an anti-abortion career politician who is going to try to ape what Trump did, only every time he speaks he loses votes. He has a whiny voice and is widely referred to as ‘Milhouse’ because, well, he looks like Milhouse. He’s not a strong-man and his public speaking is embarrassing. He’ll brown nose Trump as much as he can and absolutely eat it when Trumps policies fuck our economy.

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  • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    This doesn’t sound terrible?

    In Australia, it feels like the inverse. We generally have conservative governments until they do something particularly abhorrent and lose government for a term.

    We’re presently enjoying our once-in-a-decade progressive government term and sadly I feel they have squandered their term. They seem determined to ignore the core responsibility of making life better for everyone and instead waste political capital on fanciful notions like banning sheep exports and frivolous changes to the constitution.

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    • spector@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It’s not exactly accurate either. It’s not that Trudeau is “poison to the liberal brand”. American politics poisoned our politics. It’s true we vote out parties but this time the real shit is because of the poison pill of insane American politics.

      Back in 2011 the “liberal brand” was that of being relegated to the 3rd place party because they lost the election so bad. Trudeau was plucked out to be party leader. Some say reluctantly because they had no one else to lead it. We will never know the true behind closed doors story.

      The liberal brand or whatever was dog shit 20 years ago. Conservatives won the smallest minority government ever. Nobody wanted to vote for liberals. Nobody wanted to vote for conservatives. So the conservatives got about 10 years of government because of apathy.

      Trudeau was actually doing fine in roughly the first half of his leadership. Rescued them no longer being one half of the defacto two party system. Economy was doing good. Poverty was going down. Restored the census which conservatives killed off. Removed conservative censorship of scientists. Actual climate change policies. Got legal weed. Actually addressed social issues. Unlike the previous conservative government who were stoking proto-MAGA type divisiveness.

      Then the Trump era came into full swing and the conservative party adopted American culture wars. Then COVID and the economic+social fallout hit. So naturally all that is Trudeaus fault.

      Whoever is the unfortunate next leader of the liberal party will also be “poison” to the liberal brand. Because that’s how Americanized culture war politics works. They will ad hominem the next person to death. Elections will have absolutely zero policy and 100% culture war personal attacks.

      In another reality where America doesn’t go off the deep end Trudeau maybe even has few more years in office until getting voted out in a boring uneventful election where conservatives win another small minority. But no this is the insane timeline. Conservatives are headed to a resounding majority win because “MAGA” reasons.

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    • gift_of_gab@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It wasn’t so bad when we had Liberals and less neo-Liberals. We’ve also had Liberal governments that don’t fix as many of the Con failures of the past as they used to.

      Also our medical is mostly provincial so as they flip Con we are losing more and more Universal healthcare. If you can believe it, we’re actually going towards more of the American model each election.

      I hope your progressives turn it around a little, because it looks like young males all around the world are leaning fascist.

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      • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Yeah, the medical industry in Australia is probably similar, sliding away from universal health care.

        I mean it’s nothing like the US but I do feel that we’re headed in the wrong direction.

        10 years ago it wasn’t hard to find a GP that wouldn’t charge you anything on top of the government rebate. Now the rebate is usually about half what the GP is charging.

        That said, myself and those in my care have spent a lot of time in hospital over the last few years and we haven’t paid a cent for any of that. My partner gave birth to Twins, it was a “complex pregnancy”, all fit and well in the end but we spent 3 months in another city to be near a specialist hospital. Govt paid for a nice apartment for us for the whole time, absolutely gold standard care from the miracle workers at that hospital, just amazing honestly.

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      • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        our medical is mostly provincial

        That’s intentional. And it’s precisely so Harper couldn’t fuck it up when he wasn’t signing away our rights to our own land. His people can only fuck over a province at a time while we can potentially show off better outcomes from places he hasn’t wrecked yet.

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      • oxideseven@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Any reliable source/study on the global male fascist thing? I see it repeated a lot and would love details on how true it might be and why

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  • systemglitch@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    That’s a lot of bias.

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• Podunk@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Politically speaking, hes doing the right thing. The mandate of the people kind of requires it. Its not good for anything other than the expectations of democracy and the system set up for him and canadian citizens.l as a whole. Like, long term world implications im not thrilled, but the writing is on the walls. Its a “you want to make this bed, fine, sleep in it” sort of situation. He has no mandate now.

  I know that i will hate what comes next, and i know it feels like he and his party is rolling over, and i know canadians, much like usa citizens with trump, are playing with a stacked deck. But personally, ill stand here with the odds stacked against. Having faith in the systems we have set up, that we will survive this too.

  I believe in a fucking system. Thats why i was not protesting today when trump got certified. Trudeau stepping down is correct. And ill die on the hill that i will help maintain that system. When someone breaks that system however, unlike our brothers to the north, ive got loads of guns and a very ignorant population to convince. But I will abide by our democratic institutions and hold faith in them as far as i can.

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  • MutilationWave@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    🫡🤜🤛

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• BetaDoggo_@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Inflation(read: gouging) is a massive problem which isn’t being tackled, housing is unaffordable, and the medical systems are underfunded (due in part to the exploitative US system). There’s also some conflict in our relations with Mexico which I’m personally pissed about but I don’t most are concerned with.

  The opposition party is headed by a far right “populist” who claims the current status quo is “authoritarian socialism” and is supported by Jordan Peterson and Elon Musk.

  Liberals are upset with Trudeau for failing to fix the issues listed above and offering no counter to some of the legitimate populist policies Pierre champions.

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  • Schmoo@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    This is not an issue isolated to Canada, this same story - give or take a few details - is playing out all over the Western world. The liberals are being exposed as lame ducks and losing the support of the people, leaving the faux-populist far right to take their place, in the conspicuous absence - or rather, enforced impotence - of left-populists. The status quo is falling apart and fascism is returning in force, largely unopposed.

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  • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    We have the same inflation / gouging problem in Australia.

    We had a supermarkets inquiry to investigate practices of price gouging. I don’t think anyone has any faith that it’s going to improve anything.

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    • bungalowtill@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      worldwide the same problems. therefore everyone is being told it‘s the foreigners‘ fault. now everybody‘s getting their individual nationalism/fascism

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      • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Capitalism

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    • lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      ‘gouging’ is just monopoly capitalism. You can’t stop it unless you regulate the market and enforce antitrust laws, but that’s ‘big gubbament’

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  • lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Inflation(read: monopoly capitalism)

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• corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Well, up in Canada, we also have scumbag conservatives. Same as yours, they talk about the cost of everything and the value of nothing. And they work to convince the hillbillies to vote for tax breaks they won’t get to offset highwr costs they don’t mention. And American healthcare.

  So now you’re up to speed. Rafael Cruz is half-canadian, apparently, and that’s the half he is.

  Pretty soon we’ll have our own Kamal-eh to lose this next election, and hospitals will sell shares.

  Would that I could believe otherwise.

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  • grrgyle@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Damn that’s sad. So is Jack Layton like our Bernie Sanders? You can’t get three Canadians together without them pining over how Jack could have fixed all this.

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    • morbidcactus@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Jack Layton was the NDP (New Democratic Party) leader from 2003-2011, in that period we had legit talks of a coalition government after the incumbent Tories lost confidence, parliament was prorogued and those flopped unfortunately. The NDP was the official opposition in 2011, which is a big part of his legacy, unfortunately he pass from cancer several months after the election, managed to pull that from being far behind the liberals entering the campaign, liberal party became a third party and Justin Trudeau became the elected leader of the liberals after that (semi interesting is Bob Rae was the interim leader, he was the NDP premier of Ontario in the 90s that still seems to haunt the provincial NDP somehow)

      NDP itself is a social democracy party, its roots are in the CCF (Cooperative Commonwealth Federation), very pro labour, it’s the party of Tommy Douglas who is widely credited as being the creator of Medicare in Canada as the premier of Saskatchewan. During Layton’s years, they were always very pro privacy and net neutrality amongst other positions that are still 100% applicable today. Mildly interesting, Justin’s father Pierre Elliott Trudeau was originally part of the CCF and NDP.

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      • grrgyle@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        That is interesting, thanks

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• jaemo@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Nothing. This is the SAME SHIT THAT HAPPENED IN 1993, except it was a conservative PM then (Mulroney). The last generation of them that cared to be a leader for all sides. Harper was outright an enemy to decency.

  Nowadays, the notion of self-sacrifice for utilitarian ethics is a rarified trait; and utterly non-existent on the right of the aisle. Run the thought experiment for yourself and simulate a republican or a conservative candidate doing the right thing. It’s good for a laugh.

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  • Jamablaya@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Mulroney was simply unpopular, especially about the GST. People fucking HATE Trudeau, a deep visceral feeling he’s engendered across the country, and it’s not recent. (It’s hard to take anyone seriously that calls Harper a threat to decency)

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    • jaemo@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Oh I hated Mulroney too… Conservatives have been slimy and repellent to my sensibilities since about grade 4.

      Your lack of ability to take me seriously is, frankly, your own flaw to come to grips with. It doesn’t change my ability to vote or who I will vote for, and mine counts the same as yours, Peaches.

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• systemglitch@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  We just had the worst 11 years of governing our country ever had and we are spiralling out of control in debt, cost of living and hope. It’s amazing how much damage one man can do in a decade.

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  • buddascrayon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    we are spiralling out of control in debt, cost of living and hope

    Yeah that’s centrist-conservative degradation. We’ve been experiencing that in the United States since the mid-70s. Just wait until they begin deleting your social programs like they have been doing here.

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  • gift_of_gab@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s amazing how much damage one man can do in a decade.

    You said it; took Corporate income tax from 22% down to 15% tax; the worst expansion of GDP since the great depression; slowest export growth in post WW2 history; prevented more government employees of speaking out than any other government; massive voter suppression; pled guilty to exceeding national election advertising limits; foreign affairs minister resigned after it was revealed that he had left classified NATO documents at his girlfriends house; constantly closing regional veterans affairs offices; when he refused to release documents on the issue of torture of enemy combatants, and prorogued Parliament in December, 2009, then shutting down the parliamentary committee that was probing the abuse allegations; threatened the supreme court when they wouldn’t ratify his choice for a new justice; allowed a senior cabinet minister to personally direct a $50-million “legacy” fund, funnel millions in infrastructure to his Muskoka riding - Municipalities far from the actual summit site were given hundreds of thousands of dollars for sidewalk improvements, parks, and most infamously, a gazebo. A subsequent investigation by the auditor general showed funds were doled out with no bureaucratic oversight or paper trails. The cabinet minister was later promoted to president of the Treasury Board, the department that oversees government spending; ruled in contempt of parliament twice - first when the international aid minister lied about the defunding of charitable organization KAIROS, and second with the cabinet’s refusal to reveal the costs of corporate tax cuts, criminal justice measures, and the beleaguered F-35 fighter jet program.

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• HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Trudaeu cheered on church burnings because they were a convenient distraction from the genocide his grandfather helped carry out, pissed on the concept of free speech, and established a program to help the poor kill themselves.

  He is slime

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