This is why you can never disprove creationism sufficiently to convince a young Earth creationist. The hypothesis is unfalsifiable.
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Hope@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Not to argue for creationism, but this argument sucks. Lead can be produced by fusion in stars, not just through decay of heavier elements. But even that’s besides the point, since if you believe some entity created the universe, surely said entity could have created whatever ratio of lead to uranium they wanted.
(Not so fun fact: the environmental impact of leaded gasoline was discovered by trying to estimate the age of the earth using the radio of lead to uranium in uranium deposits, but the pollution from leaded gasoline was throwing the measurements off.)
PaintedSnail@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 4 days ago
The obvious solution is to make a science that is unfalsidiable. Then argue about who would win, like superman vs goku.
TaTTe@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Also I’m amazed by how people don’t seem to understand what half-life is. It’s not the time it takes for an atom to decay. It’s the time it takes for half of the atoms to decay, meaning there will be some U-238 that decay into Ra-226 in just a couple of seconds.
So even if the Earth was created 4000 years ago with uranium but not lead (for some weird reason), some of that lead would have decayed into lead by now.
zante@slrpnk.net 5 days ago
Yes but this is a 16 year who watched a YouTube and owns noobs
StaticFalconar@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Well there’s also no way to disprove that everything was created last Tuesday including the memories of things/events happening before last Tuesday.
conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
The weirdest part to me is thinking the timeless omnipotent god that the Bible explicitly says considers a thousand years less than nothing actually literally meant that he created everything in what we’d perceive as 7 days when talking to whatever arbitrary scribe wrote down the creation myth for him.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 5 days ago
If it wasn’t a day then how did all the plants and trees live without sunlight?
Forester@yiffit.net 5 days ago
So it’s more like God appears to this guy named Abraham and tells him the story and then his great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great, great great grandchildren wrote it down.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 5 days ago
That still doesn’t work because plants and trees are created before the sun. Not to mention the lack of pollinators because God hadn’t yet created insects.
Forester@yiffit.net 5 days ago
Clearly you’ve never played telephone.
Empricorn@feddit.nl 5 days ago
Also, we could be way off on the age because we just don’t know. Sure, we can collect data and extrapolate for billions of years and assume that all elements have always decayed at the same rate, but short of living through it and accurately measuring it with modern instruments, molecules-to-man “macro” evolution can’t actually be proven.
This is why, using the Scientific Method, it is still a theory. A theory accepted by most scientists, but still. There’s a certain arrogance in declaring solved something we can’t actually know for 100% certainty.
tatterdemalion@programming.dev 5 days ago
I thought carbon dating of fossils was our best argument against the 4000 years myth.
pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 5 days ago
God could have put the fossils there with the right carbon isotopes.
You can’t use logic to disprove belief in magic.
tetris11@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
There’s a fun belief in physics regarding this “superdeterminism”.
It essentially states that two entangled particles exhibit entanglement not because of any property between them but because they share the same cause origin point (the big bang) and that their respective spin states correlate more with the big bang than each other. Essentially the spin experiments will always appear to show entanglement, but it’s actually a byproduct of the big bang.
Which, as we can all maybe agree, is fucking weak.
wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
Also this doesn’t say anything about the Earth.
Plus you can’t keep give a liberal reading of the bible to be:
That doesn’t have to imply the earth is 4000 years old. Even the original wording could be read as eon instead of day.
krashmo@lemmy.world 5 days ago
The Bible is a couple thousand chapters long. The creation story is the first two chapters. It’s pretty obviously only attempting to establish that God created the universe in some ambiguous way and move on with the story. That doesn’t stop people from inferring all sorts of things from what is essentially a poem.
Bassman1805@lemmy.world 5 days ago
It’s literally a poem in the original language.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 5 days ago
So you are saying when the Bible says Jesus died for our sins, it doesn’t actually mean he actually died, it’s only a metaphor.
krashmo@lemmy.world 5 days ago
I know it’s tough to pay attention for four whole sentences but if you read them again slowly I think you’ll see that I did not use the words Jesus, sin, or metaphor in any form which should make it pretty clear that, no, I’m not saying that at all.
Buelldozer@lemmy.today 5 days ago
Most people don’t know that the Hebrew word “yom” (day) can be and is used to denote wildly different lengths of time.
If anyone is interested you can read a fine destruction of the stupid “Young Earth” argument at the link I provided.
The “Young Earth” people, both Christian and Jew, are trying to shoe horn something into the Bible that doesn’t fit and doesn’t need to exist. It’s nothing more than a desperate attempt to hold onto an old, wrong headed, and man-made theory.
wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
Thanks for that
I don’t see why God must be incompatible with evolution or the Big Bang or really any of science. God created us to be clever, surely that includes using logic and science to learn about the world.
Personally I’m agnostic and I try not to judge people. I do judge people who dismiss science and decide faith alone is better.
Buelldozer@lemmy.today 4 days ago
The argument can be made that since God created humanity in their image that we’re all just fledgling gods with the big difference being our lack of immortality. We’re just not long lived enough as individuals to reach God’s level of power and insight. We are who God created us to be, logic and science included so If we don’t kill ourselves off we may eventually reach a collective godhood, or something akin to it, as a species.
I’m not saying I believe that argument, I’m just pointing out that it’s there because it supports your point.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 5 days ago
The excuse that the Hebrew word for day could mean an extremely long period of time doesn’t work because plants and trees were created before the Sun and insects (pollinators).
wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
I skimmed that link and it’s pretty interesting, I’ll have to spend more time on it. I definitely liked the part at the end about God being the observer in this context, so what’s a day to him.
Mac@mander.xyz 5 days ago
Simple answers for simple minds
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 5 days ago
The original wording can’t be read as eon instead of a day because plants and trees can’t last for an eon before the sun is created.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 4 days ago
These are perfect plants that do reverse photosynthesis, make sense now?