Comment on Men Harassed A Woman In A Driverless Waymo, Trapping Her In Traffic

• CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I don’t care. Like I said, in some states you can employ deadly force to keep someone from making off with your shit. I do not value those people more than my property. Straight up. I’m not deflecting or side stepping or mincing words. They’re trash and I do not morn them should they be shot and killed during the course of taking things that aren’t theirs.

  None of that is “defending yourself”.

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  • capital@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    the act of defending oneself, one’s property, or a close relative

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    • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Reasonable Force

      Reasonable force refers to the amount of force that is necessary for a person to defend himself or his property, without going overboard. It is especially important to prove whether or not the force a person used was reasonable in order to determine his level of liability for the crime. Hence why reasonable force is also referred to as “legal force.” For instance, a father who gets into an argument with his son’s baseball coach, shoving him with his hands, has started the conflict. If the coach, in defending himself, picks up a baseball bat and slams it into the father’s head several times, it could not reasonably be considered self defense.

      If a person can prove that he used reasonable force to defend himself, he may be able to avoid being prosecuted for a crime.

      If a person uses more force than what would be considered necessary to protect himself from an aggressor, then this would be considered excessive or unreasonable force. Once excessive force has been proven, then the defendant’s self defense argument is considered forfeited. For instance, a defendant is justified in using force that is intended or likely to cause death or severe injury if someone violently enters his home, and he believes such force is necessary to prevent harm from coming to himself, or to another person in the home.

      legaldictionary.net/self-defense/

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      • capital@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        And you understand that reasonable force varies by state, right? I’ve said it multiple times.

        I will use the maximum allowed for the state I reside in. I have lived in states which allowed for deadly force to protect property.

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• CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I don’t live in a 3rd world country, so I guess I just don’t understand the concept of needing to arm myself before leaving my house because I’m likely to need a deadly weapon while I go about my business.

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  • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I don’t live in a 3rd world country

    lol the US has the highest death rate from gun violence - it’s literally the #1 killer of children.

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    • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      As an aside: part of the definition of a First World Country includes being a “stable democracy”.

      If a poll was done of American citizens asking them “do you think fraud will play a part in the upcoming election?” I would be shocked if less than 80% said yes. That doesn’t sound like a stable democracy to me.

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    • Obi@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      In these kinds of discussions you can assume the third world country jab was a reference to the US.

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  • capital@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What country do you live in? I’m curious which one has no theft.

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    • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There’s a difference between “violent crime exists” and “violent crime is so prevalent that regular citizens need to carry around an implement designed to kill people quickly while they go about their daily lives.”

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      • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        There’s a difference between “violent crime exists” and “violent crime is so prevalent that regular citizens need to carry around an implement designed to kill people quickly while they go about their daily lives.”

        Only if you haven’t yet experienced violent crime.

        I carry a weapon because of one violent encounter I experienced in 2009.

        I decided that I never want it to happen again, so I am content to carry a weapon for the 1/1000000 times that it happens.

        I’ve had hundreds of thousands of encounters with strangers and only one of them involved the stranger trying to seriously hurt me. That one was enough to change my view on the nature of reality.

        Crashes don’t have to be prevalent in one’s life in order to wear a seatbelt.

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      • capital@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’ve never been in a serious vehicle accident.

        Still wear my seat belt though.

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    • BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Check out my username for an idea of where I live. Besides a bit of gang on gang action in our capital, violent crimes are extremely rare. It’s maybe once a year that police have to shoot at a person, and even then police officers will assess the situation and if possible not go for center mass.

      Note how I left out theft. That’s because you can’t directly use violence to protect property.

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      • capital@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Note how I left out theft. That’s because you can’t directly use violence to protect property.

        I remember hearing this when I lived in the UK for a few years and I was blown away. What are you expected to do if being robbed? Let it happen?

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