Graph break makes it look a lot closer than it is.
mice
Submitted 8 months ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz
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gibmiser@lemmy.world 8 months ago
gregorum@lemm.ee 8 months ago
OK, but still, that slug was on that exercise wheel way more than anyone would expect a slug to be on one of those things
casmael@lemm.ee 8 months ago
How so? I am but a peasant farmer and know little of the interpretation of graphs
big_slap@lemmy.world 8 months ago
the graph for mice on the left has a break between .10 and .80. see the little squiggly thing? if that break was not there, the mice bar would be wayyyy higher than the other bars.
I don’t think it’s meant to be misleading.
Ensign_Seitler@startrek.website 8 months ago
It looks to me as if 0.10 to 0.80 takes up as much vertical space as 0.01 to 0.02. They “yadda yadda‘d” the middle values because mouse was the only one that went that high.
Freeman@lemmings.world 8 months ago
Every farmer queues his cows up in one line. So there are several lines of cows. Now one rich farmer owns a lot more cows than the other, poor farmers.
Someone wants to make a photo from above and has a problem: Either the long lines of the rich guys cows wont fit in the picture or he has to zoom out so far that the short lines arent really visible anymore.
So now if you leave out a bunch of cows from the long line and add a indicator, that there are left out cows. The numbers on the left make it that it still is correct and readable altho the longest line/bar is shorter.
wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
They chopped out the middle section of the chart, so slugs actually look 12x larger than they should. In fact, all the other bars are 12x larger than they actually should be v
PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 8 months ago
This just reminds me that bumble bees will play with small wooden beads if they’re left out, mostly just rolling them about aimlessly and sometimes jumping on them because apparently they are amused by it rolling over with them on top of it.
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 8 months ago
This is too cute, it can’t possibly be true. I demand pictures and videos!
marcos@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Is this running distance? That’s a completely unfair metric for the slug.
KrokanteBamischijf@feddit.nl 8 months ago
Slugs to be you then, I guess. :P
In all seriousness, the graph shows different species as fraction of total uses recorded. Since the paper is mostly about mice, and behavioural differences under different circumstances, it being unfair to the slugs is probably not such a big deal here.
witty_username@feddit.nl 8 months ago
The paper:
dx.doi.org/10.1098/rspb.2014.0210PolistesPicante@mander.xyz 8 months ago
I was just going to ask if someone would post the paper - thank you so much!
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The one snail “I dont get it, why’s everyone getting on this thing, its jus…oh god I’m sinking through these gaps! What devil made this contraption!!!”
Figureinplastic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Go snail!
Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
If the wheel were big enough, I bet humans would use it too.
spoiler
It’s me, I’m that human.
FooBarrington@lemmy.world 8 months ago
They have these at some playgrounds here. It’s pretty fun!
Until you fall over.
rmuk@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Ideally the wheel should be big enough for a single human but not so big that it can fit multiple humans.
Source: I was once a child on a wheel big enough for multiple humans.
autokludge@programming.dev 8 months ago
Schwaye@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Seems to be the video of the experiment: youtu.be/TbB1FJB6Y0s?si=TpL_0P7faMhgOVZM
threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
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brbposting@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
YLTSI
brbposting@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
YTLSI
Crack0n7uesday@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This will become a new source for energy in the future.
monomon@programming.dev 8 months ago
Yeah all this free energy waiting to be harvested
cheerjoy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I didn’t see the word wheel at first and was concerned
friendly_ghost@beehaw.org 8 months ago
Economists are probably mad about this
LillyPip@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I keep saying this and people say I’m crazy, but whales, elephants, and some other animals for sure have religion (a codified mythos of spirituality passed down through generations). Our experience is not remotely unique.
Recent studies show that birds, whales, and many other animals use consistent grammar and have accents. They’re not just making mindless sounds, they’re communicating with purpose. We’ve documented empathy in several other species. Some other species outperform us in memory and certain cognitive tests.
And many animals have been observed objectively playing and having fun. It’s pretty narcissistic to think we’re that much more advanced than other animals. Just because our culture places great emphasis on our ability to manipulate our environment doesn’t mean those that don’t aren’t as ‘evolved’ as we are. That’s very egotistical, and has led to some of our subcultures oppressing even other humans that lived nomadically or with nature as ‘subhuman’.
Wanting our cheese wrapped in plastic doesn’t make us more highly evolved. We’re just as evolved as everything else alive right now, and of course it’s probable that some other animals appreciate fun. It’s a concept even our newborns understand. It’s ludicrous to assume otherwise, imo.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 8 months ago
I’ve seen some of the stuff pointing toward some of this but… What can be shown to substantiate the religion thing?
LillyPip@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Some pods of whales will revisit certain coordinates yearly, or on longer timelines that are extremely regular , where there’s no discernible reason – no food, they’re not mating, etc – linger for a while, then leave. They don’t do anything special there but vocalise more, and they’ll put off hunting for this social interaction. It’s reminiscent of early human history when we were nomadic and would sometimes gather, foregoing hunts in favour of sharing stories, often in the form of legends. Our earliest mythologies and spiritualism grew from this, and there’s no reason to discount they’re so different from early hominins.
Elephants have been known for revisiting the bones of family members for decades, and a recent paper has been submitted with evidence they’ve been observed burying their dead on purpose – carrying babies for miles to man-made trenches. They obviously can’t do that with their larger dead, but they appear to prefer their dead to be protected from predation if possible, and they stay with the bodies for days, trumpeting for days. That strongly suggests they have some kind of opinions surrounding death, which again, in our own ancestors is inextricable from spirituality.
I personally think some other animals have religion – I have no real evidence as that’s just my opinion. I think we vastly underestimate animals and overestimate our relative importance .
Give me a few minutes and I’ll add source links (I’m on mobile)
bloom_of_rakes@lemm.ee 8 months ago
If you like to play with a good toy now and then, that says something about you.
Also consider, this toy involved no fantasies of mass murder.
Tiltinyall@beehaw.org 8 months ago
While I cant explain the slug, I just want to point out that a reason these small animals might be attracted to it migh include exercising in a confined space. Just running kind of works against many creatures hiding instincts. And running in place is practice for running in a chase.
Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 8 months ago
I bought an exercise wheel and put it outside for this reason
Rentlar@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
“Hahaha the act of moving without going anywhere is very enjoyable”
- The slug