It’s funny to me that someone now has to say in an Apple boardroom every so often:
“So how do we make sure this isn’t too successful in the EU?”
Apple’s iMessage is not a “core platform” in EU, so it can stay walled off
Submitted 9 months ago by einat2346@lemmy.today to technology@lemmy.world
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Fontasia@feddit.nl 9 months ago
cm0002@lemmy.world 9 months ago
So the EU grew some balls and then lopped one off, how disappointing…
filister@lemmy.world 9 months ago
To be honest I don’t know anyone in Europe using iMessage exclusively. We are using Viber, WhatsApp, Messenger, Signal, Telegram, Threema, etc. and none of those options are iOS or Android exclusive.
iMessage is a typical American thing which, we Europeans, have a really hard time comprehending what is the obsession with it.
And we also have a much bigger Android market share, so it would be stupid for iOS users to use some app, that would be iOS exclusive.
abhibeckert@lemmy.world 9 months ago
iMessage is a typical American thing which, we Europeans, have a really hard time comprehending what is the obsession with it.
To help you comprehend - the big difference is SMS has always been free in the USA. No other text messaging service has ever been able to get off the ground because why on earth would anyone sign up for Viber / WatsApp / Messenger / Signal / Telegram / Threema / etc, when you could just use SMS which works fine and works for everyone?
Then iMessage came long, and you could keep using “SMS”, only now it’s more reliable, has higher resolution photos, delivery confirmation, etc. That was a real improvement over SMS, with no cost at all other than having to buy an iPhone - but who’s going to switch. You’ve got all these apps you found/like and who knows which ones work on Android?
Also, it’s not just the USA. iMessage is big in other markets too. Also ones where SMS has historically been free.
Bocky@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The US can’t even stop robocalls
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The US never moved past SMS for instant messaging. iMessage extends SMS seamlessly (to iOS users).
Honestly i tried using different apps with different people groups and ended up dumping all of those apps over time since they 1) sucked battery and 2) weren’t that great and 3) were either ad-supported or were free with questions on what they company was doing to stay afloat.
iMessage solves all of these issues without needing to explain anything. Occasionally i will laugh when i see granny (liked this message) knowing she uses android and had to type that out but whatever.
dutchkimble@lemy.lol 9 months ago
I think it’s some kind of flex they like about blue or green bubbles. Somehow they are just behind on tech in the common man’s world. I remember when the world was on smartphon/cool gadgety phones pre first iphone, I was in America and most people still used black and white simple phones. They thought it was cool if some phone model had a few extra ringtones…
Horsey@kbin.social 9 months ago
here in the US in my situation it boils down to my parents/grandparents not being able to understand the difference between any texting application. I'm fine using SMS/iMessage because I know everyone has it. I'd say the vast majority of non-technologically savvy people I know are incapable or unsure how to use the basic functions of their phone (very few people I know in this category use their phone for calls and texts and the web browser; everything else is just unused for either lack of understanding or lack of interest).
Squizzy@lemmy.world 9 months ago
NO one cares about iMessage here, legislate yourselves.
It doesn’t have a big enough footprint to regulate it in such a way, it’s entirely practical not to do anything.
lambda@programming.dev 9 months ago
Damn. Good burn! I wish my legislators would do something good…
maynarkh@feddit.nl 9 months ago
The EU made a law this way specifically to only affect the biggest gatekeepers, so that megacorps can’t use it to further entrench their own monopolies. Nobody gives a fuck about iMessage in the EU.
InfiniWheel@lemmy.one 9 months ago
iMessage really is just mostly used in the US, like Japan with Line. Most countries around the world don’t use any SMS(or adjacent) services for chatting. So its not really a priority when people barely use it. Unlike the AppStore where every Apple user is forced to use it anyway
tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I kinda understand it, because iMessage is completely irrelevant outside the US. It still sucks, bacuse more choice and less lock in is always better for consumers.
BurningnnTree@lemmy.one 9 months ago
The article says that Apple is still planning on making iMessage compatible with RCS, but isn’t Apple’s incentive gone if there’s no longer any EU pressure? How likely is it that Apple will cancel their RCS plans?
abhibeckert@lemmy.world 9 months ago
There’s still plenty of EU pressure. This was a close enough thing that the EU spent months investigating it before making a decision.
That sends a pretty clear message to Apple “we’re OK with what you’re doing with messaging right now, but only just barely”.
geissi@feddit.de 9 months ago
“we’re OK with what you’re doing with messaging right now, but only just barely”. If Apple does something the EU doesn’t like, new legislation can be written.
Because of the “only just barely” part, new legislation might not even be necessary.
If Apple only narrowly avoided falling under the core platform definition, just a change in market share might be enough for that to change under the existing rules.
GregorTacTac@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Can’t apple do something good for a change and adopt Matrix?
mox@lemmy.sdf.org 9 months ago
You joke, but Matrix has been working on protocol design specifically for the Digital Markets Act. If iMessage were to be ruled subject to the DMA, it might mean Apple having to adopt (a future version of) Matrix.
rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
I don’t like Matrix, but that’d be an improvement.
(It supports bridging anyway, so one could use an XMPP-Matrix bridge and a Matrix-crapland bridge simultaneously)
GregorTacTac@lemm.ee 9 months ago
YESSSS! Let’s hope apple does have to adopt this, it would be so helpful when communicating with apple users
filister@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Not going to happen. How do you think they became 2.000.000.000.000+ company? D finitely by not letting their customers off the hook.
GregorTacTac@lemm.ee 9 months ago
They might earn some respect from people who use android, and they might buy an iPhone
KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 9 months ago
how are they supposed to keep up with microsoft with an open messaging standard? can’t miss out on being the most valuable company at more than 3 trillion dollars…
reddig33@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Apple has already announced they are adding RCS support.
GregorTacTac@lemm.ee 9 months ago
RCS is not an open standard and is partially owned by Google.
smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
As if Play Store + App Store duopoly was not enough of a headacke for everyday living, now I would need to explain myself of not using iMessage or Google Messages.
vamp07@lemm.ee 9 months ago
If RCS is such an awesome standard, why not mandate it for all EU phones? Apple already supports the current standard, which is SMS. The idea that they have to open up their proprietary software seems silly to me.
clot27@lemm.ee 9 months ago
The interoperability thing is a trash idea from the beginning
GigglyBobble@kbin.social 9 months ago
Proprietary messaging is worse though. Email is interoperable and relevant as ever. Just nobody bothered to seamlessly apply PGP for encryption (probably spy agencies actively worked against that too).
WallEx@feddit.de 9 months ago
Why?
clot27@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Imagine secure apps being forced to give some parts of their users data to proprietary apps. Besides its too tricky to implement, like every would be forced to use the same protocol as the proprietary app (specifically in messaging)
WheelcharArtist@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Such a stupid law. People can already use open services like matrix but they don’t because they don’t give a fuck. Now we force services to open up… Why? People have a choice already. As much as i hate facebook this is kinda nuts
maynarkh@feddit.nl 9 months ago
Network effects. The law lets me not install Facebook Messenger just to chat with my mom and Whatsapp just to chat with my some random corporate account, and instead use whatever messenger I want to chat with both of them. I wouldn’t have a choice otherwise.
It’s a great law, IMHO. It keeps monopolistic companies from gatekeeping services essential to modern life.
smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
This choice is just in theory. Like Cory Doctorow sayd, you and your close friend circle cannot agree where to eat launch today, how the heck are you going to agree on which chat app to switch to? I got my choice and deleted Facebook, no looking back, but guess what? I missed A LOT of information from my collage including many meetings.
With this law, people would no longer need to bother any of their friends to install anything, they could start switching one by one to what they like.
Sanctus@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Lol, Lmao even. All regulators have had their teeth pulled.
autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] 9 months ago
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The iMessage service did meet the definition of a “core platform,” serving at least 45 million EU users monthly and being controlled by a firm with at least 75 billion euros in market capitalization.
But after “a thorough assessment of all arguments” during a five-month investigation, the Commission found that iMessage and Microsoft’s Bing search, Edge browser, and ad platform “do not qualify as gatekeeper services.”
While Apple has agreed to take up RCS, an upgraded form of carrier messaging with typing indicators and better image and video quality, it will not provide encryption for Android-to-iPhone SMS, nor remove the harsh green coloring that particularly resonates with younger users.
Apple is still obligated to comply with the Digital Markets Act’s other implications on its iOS operating system, its App Store, and its Safari browser.
While it’s unlikely to result in the same kind of action, Brendan Carr, a commissioner at the Federal Communications Commission, said at a conference yesterday that the FCC “has a role to play” in investigating whether Apple’s blocking of the Beeper Mini app violated Part 14 rules regarding accessibility and usability.
The blocking and workarounds continued until Beeper announced that it was shifting its focus away from iMessage and back to being a multi-service chat app, minus one particular service.
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KrokanteBamischijf@feddit.nl 9 months ago
It’s strange to me that the differences are so vast between different continents.
I know litteraly no one who actually uses iMessage. Never once (in recent years) seen some communicate through a channel that isn’t WhatsApp, Signal or something similar. The whole “ew, green bubbles” drama just isn’t a thing here. (Though the existence of iPhone users still harms society in different ways)
Though I do agree with many commenters that the EU caving to the lobbyists is a bad thing. Having the law only apply to “problems that are big enough to care about” is still a loss for the consumer in the end. I’m all for standardisation and free choice, which means any commercial messaging service should comply. Exceptions only for open source projects funded by non-profit organisations.
Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s also funny that Apple phones are seen as an “old people” thing because they’re for simpletons, let’s be honest
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
Oh cock off. My home network has seven windows machines and three Linux machines. I love iOS because I fuck around with computers all day, I’m not into fucking around with my phone. I want a secure device that lasts a long time, stays extremely fast, and requires no fucking. My five year old iPhone matches all of this perfectly.
KrokanteBamischijf@feddit.nl 9 months ago
Apple’s whole modern “it’s reliable and just works” cult following exists because they found a fix for situations where the problem was between keyboard and chair.
Both Windows and Linux-based operating systems are plenty reliable if you actually know what you’re doing and you know how things work. Apple started a culture where you don’t need to know how things work because you have no influence over your own devices. Which lets people do the simple tasks without adressing the problem that your userbase will not amass any computing knowledge whatsoever.
And when Apple devices do fail (and trust me, they do), they fail catastrophically without a way to fix the problem yourself (which is by design).
The distinction is larger for computers than it is for mobile devices, but yeah in general Apple devices are for simpletons. But the biggest issue is that Apple’s design philosophy actively creates these simpletons.
jagoan@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Airdrop is the “blue bubble” thing where I am. When we’re traveling to poor signal areas (hiking, scuba diving, etc) the iPhone folks share the pictures they took with Airdrop. The Android folks just need to wait for it in whatsapp. And until recently, those pics in whatsapp are compressed to heck.
danielfgom@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Android also has “airdrop”. It’s called “nearby share”. Works weekly l exactly the same way so there’s no need to WhatsApp it. You can share it right there with all android users.
Look on your phone settings. There’s also going to be a nearby share quick toggle if you want to turn it on and off manually.
Also press “share” on a photo and nearby share will be an option. Press it and try it out and learn it.
Michal@programming.dev 9 months ago
It just means you are around more iphone folks than android. If roles were reversed, android users could share photos using nearby share, or even nfc which is at least a decade old by now, and neither is compatible with ios.