Submitted 9 months ago by machinin@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://scitechdaily.com/scientists-develop-new-dirt-powered-fuel-cell-that-runs-forever/
Northwestern University researchers have introduced a soil-microbe-powered fuel cell, significantly outperforming similar technologies and providing a sustainable solution for powering low-energy devices.
Love these pie in the sky articles that get debunked immediately in the comments
Who debunked this? I don’t any comments debunking it.
Also if you read the article it has limited applications so it’s not some pie in the sky you think it.
I kind of get op’s point. It’s not straight up debunked, but it’s so few microwatts that they can power the sensor but they can’t store log data.
It requires a close proximity powered base station nearby to fire a signal out to get reflected back somehow.
I’m having a hard time picturing any viable setup outside of a laboratory experiment. If you’ve got a powered base station within a few inches of it why not just power it with that?
" As long as there is organic carbon in the soil for the microbes to break down, the fuel cell can potentially last forever.”
It’s also a stationary battery
“Although the entire device is buried, the vertical design ensures that the top end is flush with the ground’s surface.”
I’d say a battery is at least something that should be “chargeable”, either one time or rechargeable. I dont think you can use solar cells to store energy back into the sun.
Better link with fewer ads: interestingengineering.com/…/new-fuel-cell-taps-e…
Link to paper dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3631410
Can it power DOOM !
So if the tip is sticking out for airflow, how does it handle a flash flood?
“Furthermore, the researchers used waterproofing material on the cathode’s surface, allowing it to work during flooding and assuring progressive drying after submersion.”
From the link a commenter as “better but with fewer ads”
I missed that part in the article, I should have just searched for the word flood, woops
Sensuously?
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
How much power does it produce? It must be pretty bad since they don’t mention it anywhere in the article.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
They claim “68 times more than required to operate the sensors”, then mention a sensor to measure soil moisture.
A basic soil moisture sensor, like say, the ones I have stacked on a shelf here, will work on 2 AA batteries. It runs on 2V at 10mA. So that’s 20 milliWatts, and in willing to be a fair bit of that goes into the electronics that make a red, green or orange led light up at certain moisture levels.
Still, this sets something of an upper limit at 1.3W, or maybe 680 mA? Those seem rather high, so I’m betting their moisture sensor is a bit more delicate than my model. It depends on the size and number of cells though.
muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Im pretty sure most soil moisture measurment devices just measure the capacitance to measure dielectric permittivity. U can design such a setup to use any arbitrary amount of power depending how close the electrodes are rogether etc etc.
Willie@kbin.social 9 months ago
Yeah, I am imagining the soil moisture things from the garden store, with the little needle gauge thing, that take so little power that there's no battery slot. I feel like the amount of power this thing makes if extremely low.
ryannathans@aussie.zone 9 months ago
Probably generates nanowatts
WHYAREWEALLCAPS@kbin.social 9 months ago
The linked article has a table that gives 1.74 uW/cm^2. However glancing over the rest of the paper there's a ton of variability of output.
thefartographer@lemm.ee 9 months ago
I’m thinking around 6
Buffalox@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Damn I hoped it would go to eleven, I need that little bit extra.
vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 9 months ago
For low power applications. You won’t be charging your phone off this.
RealFknNito@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Depends on how many fuel cells you get and are able to shovel dirt into
Hobbes@startrek.website 9 months ago
1.21 gigawatts