Damn freeloaders takin' all the jobs!

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• Leviathan@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  In fascist rhetoric the enemy is always both weak and strong. It’s a real easy indicator that you’re hearing propaganda.

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  • platypus_plumba@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Not being political here, just thinking logically. Isn’t it possible for a subgroup of a large group to do X while another subgroup of the same large group does Y?

    I’m not sure if these options are mutually exclusive when it comes to large sets of individuals.

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    • defame@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That was my first thought as well. Assuming a large enough amount of immigrants, they could be overwhelming both the welfare system and the job market. A sufficiently large group of additional people would overwhelm every system, and depending on the preexisting conditions, that group might not need to be all that big

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• OpenStars@startrek.website ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I found it hilarious when many California farmers (e.g. fruits) voted for Trump, then got angry when he immediately started cutting back on immigration - like what the hell did you think he meant when he talked about that EVERY SINGLE TIME!? That man isn’t exactly known for using “metaphors” or having the slightest degree of “subtlety” - e.g. when he talks about grabbing pussy, he doesn’t mean getting to know someone intimately, he means to GRAB someone’s ACTUAL genitalia, which simply being within arms reach seems to imply automatically giving consent, and if not then you can take it up with his team of lawyers.

  After that, people started dying, and other things happened like infants were literally ripped right out of their mothers’ arms and I suddenly found it less funny:-(.

  I guess arguably it could be funny to think how liberals get mad when the Democrats they vote for do not do what they promised, yet Trump supporters got mad at him when he did - if that situation were not so fucking tragic for us all:-(.

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  • bedrooms@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It's okay, presidential immunity allows grabbing pussies.

    /s but not /s

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    • OpenStars@startrek.website ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Take my angry upvote!

      They should feel privileged that he deigned to notice them, I guess. He big-um strong “man”, they being weak tiny women-folk and all. (this one yes \s)

      I would be only half surprised if he or one of his follows became the world’s first man to get a surgery to graft on a second (no… ah… FIVE!) penises, just to prove how “masculine” he is.

      Then he could show them off at every rally, by peeing on all the attendants. They would thank him for his service! :-P (extremely unfortunately, no \s on this one…)

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  • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    We just played the anti-immigrant game in Florida. Harsh legislation passed, they ran away, and fuck me, crops are rotting in the fields.

    There were a couple of business owners brave enough to say it out loud on video. “Well, yeah, we wanted this legislation, but just to kinda scare 'em. We didn’t think we’d actually lose our workers! Maybe we gotta rethink this whole thing.”

    Props to those few self-aware SeaWolves. Some are getting it.

    If you want slave labor, you gotta put up with slaves living on the plantation.

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    • OpenStars@startrek.website ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yup. They are playing a dangerous game of Russian Roulette, hoping it won’t be them that actually gets the blast. Or maybe “chicken” is a better phrasing - which side will blink first? The one who cares least about losing is the one that “wins”, except can you call that winning, REALLY?

      Like, hey I have an idea, let’s beat up all the nerds, who actually like… think and stuff… and junk. THAT will surely turn out alright? :-(

      It reminds me of how Kansas lowered taxes, then went bankrupt, then did it again, then wanted to do it AGAIN!? (then other states wanted to follow suit - it really is a repeating pattern, where nobody ever learns the lessons of even just a handful of years prior) There, they stuck microphones in the farmers faces (farmers would have been the top benefactors of lowering taxes in that state) and asked them what they would do if taxes were lowered - would they “create jobs”? Their answers were absolutely priceless. “No… (looks with disgust on their faces) why (the fuck) WOULD we!?” They even went into detail - there is only so much crop out there, you can’t simply hire more workers and somehow magically get more profits. Plus Americans don’t want to work those jobs anyway, plus they already manage to get the tasks done as it is, what possible reason would they want to hire on more people for, especially stable jobs, for American citizens? So then the reporters would ask what they would do with all that extra money. “I dunno… prolly put it in the bank, I guess?”

      Apparently “JOBS” is a magical 4-letter word that if you lower taxes on the wealthy, somehow just magically materializes. Meanwhile the actual job creators are saying… not so much. Companies like Garmin in Kansas want a nice workplace for their workforce - they want hospitals, roads, bridges, and the like. If they wanted to live in Mississippi or Florida, then they would move there, but they do not. i.e., they WANT to pay taxes, or at least benefit from a place where taxes have been paid into, in the past.

      So Republicans in Kansas lowered taxes, supposedly for the sake of the farmers, except even the majority of farmers did not want that, and then the entire state went bankrupt, AGAIN.

      But by all means, let’s try it still yet again, on the scale of the entire nation this time, and against the will of the majority of voters - surely that will end well once more? :-( (to clarify, I mean that it will work out well for Putin, and really if you stop to think about it, that is all that matters… right? RIGHT!?)

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  • can@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No space in the square brackets

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  • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I did like his debate with Hillary though. He completely burried her with the taxes thing, Soros and all that. He may be an ass, but he was dead on about that.

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    • OpenStars@startrek.website ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Surely there are things that he says that I would even agree with - though I more often question how he says them (that is not me down-voting you though).

      e.g. I agreed with Hillary Clinton on the “ninth-month abortion” topic - there are only less than a handful of those all across the country, and at that point there is 0% chance that they are from irresponsible loose women forgetting to take a pill (or whatever the thinking is there) and 100% chance that it is a huge medical complication. Her answer there was “politicians should not be dictating such matters - that is a subject best left up to the experts and the patient to decide together”. She may be corrupt as sin and her answers were all focus-tested prior to delivery but… nevertheless she was right about that, imho.

      Whereas his answer was “baby killer” - as if this literally heart-rending occurrence where the life of the mother is at stake and the loss of the fetus is virtually a foregone conclusion at that point was all besides the point.

      They BOTH played the game in their respective ways there. And while I may not have liked her, I did like her answers, while his to that question was so incredibly juvenile that I could hardly believe my ears and eyes, seeing it from the leading candidate of an actual Presidential race. (btw funny video about it - she goes first but don’t worry, after the first minute he comes with some really great jabs:-P)

      I would encourage you to remember though that even if you enjoyed his performance in the debate: he is so dumb that other people ended up pulling most of his strings after he got into office, and he never even realized how much he was being manipulated - in fact he still does not, years after-the-fact. Trump is not “conservative”, nor even quite “Republican” so much as a mad bull tearing through the china shop breaking everything that he pleases touches. A vote for him is a vote for anarchy, which sounds fun only to those who have neither experienced it nor studied history to realize what it truly means. imho at least, ofc take with a grain of salt (i.e. be properly skeptical), except it also happens to be shared by most people who study most matters all across the nation world. When the experts (almost) all agree on something, it is either the largest conspiracy of all time ever, or else it just might be true!

      I agree that everyone uses the system… but not equally. She would have been a horrible President - more than half the nation agreed with you on that so hard that they outright handed the election to him (with deeds, not merely words) - but that does not in turn mean that he was a good one, and especially that he would be again.

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• 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They took our jobs!

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  • CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Derkaderrrr!!!

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  • XEAL@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Damn you JuanGPT and Manuel Diffusion

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  • A_Toasty_Strudel@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Der terk er jeeerbs!!!

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• irmoz@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Another thought that occurs is that it shows there is literally no path where they accept the immigrant - they’re upset if immigrants work, and they’re upset if they don’t. It literally just comes down to hating immigrants, and they work backwards from there to find reasons.

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  • grue@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It literally just comes down to hat[e], and they work backwards from there to find reasons.

    Literally every part of conservative ideology.

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• Delta_V@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There are different groups of people that respond to different sides of that message, and the people who broadcast either or both sides have differing motives as well. Countering it effectively requires understanding the problem.

  The anti-welfare shtick comes from the political donor class - the capitalists, ie billionaires. Lack of a safety net gives them more leverage to negotiate lower wages within the businesses they own, and less government spending results in lower interest rates on the loans they use to grow their industries. The narrative is often framed as concerns over sharing limited resources, but the true motive is the elimination of the safety net - if enough of the working class can be convinced that the system isn’t fair, that creates casus belli to delete the system.

  The other side of the argument is about supply and demand of labor as a commodity. As supply goes up, the price goes down, resulting in lower wages. Its a fundamental weakness of unregulated markets operating in the context of uneven global development. Immigrants from the poorer parts of the world can accept below market rate salaries and still come out ahead, but they drive down wages of the local economy in the process. A “free” market gives the capitalists, ie billionaires, power akin to the divine right of kings - with enough capital, they can game the market to suppress competition, establish monopolies, and perpetually remain in positions of ultimate executive authority. Therefore, regulating the market to make it truly free isn’t in their interest, so instead the propaganda organs they own - CNN, Fox ‘News’, etc… - blame the immigrants for perusing rational self-interest as if it were a moral failing, instilling hatred in part of the working class toward other working class people to garner political support for representatives who pay lip service to anti-immigration policy. Such policy isn’t actually passed because it would result in better wages, but the lip service wins elections in some states while also preventing the conversation from shifting to possible regulation to solve the problem of low wages.

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  • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Damn that was a fine read.

    blame the immigrants for pursuing rational self-interest as if it were a moral failing, instilling hatred in part of the working class toward other working class people to garner political support for representatives who pay lip service to anti-immigration policy

    ^ Tip of the spear right there. Gets votes!

    But let’s talk real talk. Americans want slaves. I can provide 100 anecdotes, but they all come to the same observation, we want cheap labor. Immigrants provide it and we can’t do without it.

    And it’s not just the “evil capitalists”. If a Mexican dude tells me his gang will refloor my living room for $5/hr. per man, I’m all in because I can’t afford to pay “real” labor prices. Either they make some money, or no one gets paid and my carpet is rotting.

    OK, one anecdote. My wife is Filipina, not a US citizen. Her education in early childhood education is stunning. I’ve watched countless videos of her private school back home. And I’m screaming, “FFS! Why are we not teaching our children like this?! Why are our teachers not trained like this?!”

    She had to quit her job teaching because the airport hotel pays far more. Philippinos are in demand because everyone knows they work hard, don’t bitch and are grateful for what they get. LOL, she was hired on the spot, just for walking in the door and asking.

    Meanwhile, I make $80K for sitting and sleeping my ass off working for a software dev, from home.

    Don’t know where I’m going with this. Guess when we Americans say we’re a “nation of immigrants”, we really mean, “a nation of immigrants who started as slaves and worked their way up the food chain over a generation or two”.

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• ininewcrow@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s the same with the enemies of fascism

  A fascists enemies are weak, unhealthy and can easily be overtaken by the superior strength of fascists.

  While at the same time the enemies of fascists are also overpowering them, slowly destroying them because they are too powerful.

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• gearheart@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Legitimate question. Can anyone tell me how someone would go collecting welfare with no SSN or papers?

  I work with people on a daily basis that collect some sort of welfare or disability… They are in perfect bodily health. They are also all U.S citizens.

  Rarely I come across an Hispanic individual that collects “disability payments”. I don’t believe it’s possible…

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  • bigkahuna1986@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No idea how that would work. An undocumented person at my mom’s work was “borrowing” someone else’s identity to get paid. So they were contributing to social security with no way to ever collect on it.

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• csm10495@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Actually both happen: low paying jobs lead to being below the poverty line and therefore eligible for welfare.

  It’s not great; especially when companies like Walmart cash in on this by paying less and telling employees to apply for welfare.

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• Mango@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The quiet part is that people in a country with abundant natural resources don’t want to have to share them with people from other places with fucked up situations. They want a walled garden because they think they can tend it well enough on their own to not be surrounded by extra burden. Who needs to compete when there’s enough to go around here?

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  • Mango@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If we were rational ourselves, we would bring our freedom to the countries who’s people are fleeing to us for refuge. Mexicans have it so bad that they’re running to us? Well clearly we’re doing it better than Mexico, so let’s clap their leadership and show them what’s good, right? I mean fuck. It’s better rationale for a war than trying to control some other place for is oil and pretending that’s not the case.

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• MissJinx@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m not american, don’t live in america and have nothing against imigration, specially people getting out of horrible situations but I saw a pitcure the other day with thousands of people crossing the whole central america on foot, with little babies, to reach the US and that was scary and very sad. At that point just take over the whole country and make it another american state. Crazy

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  • OpenStars@startrek.website ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Wait till you see the videos of mothers literally chucking their infants/toddlers over the wall, hoping that they will be found by someone on the other side and cared for… in a desert no less. Better dead than having to go back to where they came from, it would seem. Either way they are aware that they will never see them again.

    And it gets even weirder when people keep finding literal child slaves, used for both their work product & sex it would seem, up in farms even as far north as Iowa. Oh, and supposedly 80% of the women & girls that cross over are raped as they do. So again, whatever they are running from must be THAT bad, that those mothers are willing to consign their children to that.

    But you are right - the USA cannot solve the problems of literally the entire world. Unfortunately things like nuance, subtlety, or even factual information of pretty much any kind, have no place in USA politicking - instead people simply get their pictures taken at the border, then go back home, trying to ignore it as best they can. And then argue about whether or not we want to pay the bill for the things that we’ve already bought.

    Both sides are incredibly messed up, yet not equally so, but fairly bad in their own ways, as such matters simply slip through the cracks, as “more important matters” take precedence, I guess.

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