What is the next "grown up game" now that Minecraft only goes for children?

Submitted ⁨⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com⁩ to ⁨games@lemmy.world⁩

When Minecraft came out, it was hard to understand, not that good looking and only really catered to nerd gamers. There was no recipe book, no cute animals, no lush caves to explore, just an unforgiving Day-Night cycle and few, very creepy caves.

But those days are behind us. Minecraft is now considered a kids game and someone who bought the game as a grown up when it still was a grown up game now face ridicule and are “second class gamers” in the eyes of the developers imo. Not to speak of bedrock edition (eww) with its microtransactions and dumbed down UIs.

I remember making a paypal account for the express purpose of buying it after reading about it in a tech magazine (on paper - can you believe it?).

What do you think are currently games that are not focused on children and have great potential?

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mholiv@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Slightly off topic here, but the most “grown up” way to play “grown up” games is to just play what you want and not care about what people think.

If you like Minecraft stick with it. Or just play any other games you enjoy. Only kids care what their peers think of the games they play.

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- haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Its not about what people (or peers) think. Its about the fact that minecraft isnt as fun as it used to be. Sorry if that wasnt clear from my post.
  
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  - B0NK3RS@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The game has changed a lot but also you might have too.
    
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  - Pons_Aelius@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    Its about the fact that minecraft isnt as fun as it used to be (to you)
    
    It sounds more like you have changed, rather than minecraft.
    
    That is normal. People's tastes change.
    
    What do you think are currently games that are not focused on children and have great potential?
    
    That is such an open ended question as to be impossible to really answer well.
    
    You have stated you no longer enjoy minecraft but not what you do like playing. So again, quite hard to make a recommendation.
    
    Do you want building sims? Tropico or Cities: Skylines.
    
    Other than that, I have no idea what to recommend.
    
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Deestan@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The judgemental attitude and self victimization detract from your post. You’ll find people to be friendlier and more helpful to you if you manage to tone it differently.

Anyway! It sounds like you want games that prioritize being interesting over being popular? Dwarf Fortress would be my immediate thought.

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- haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  There is no judgement and no self victimisation in my post. Minecraft changed drastically from what it was and I‘m fully allowed to not like it.
  
  But thanks for the suggestion dwarf fortress seems to be quite the thing to try. Will check it out.
  
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ombremad@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I get Minecraft probably played a huge role in your life, and that would explain why you feel so disappointed with it. I don’t think it’s as bad as you described it, and I don’t think it’s more leaning towards children than before, but you’re talking from a place of nostalgia and I kinda understand.

I don’t know how long you’ve been playing it but… maybe you’ve just… outgrown the game? Or got tired of it. You’re talking about when Minecraft came out… that was 13 years ago. It’s really hard to not lose interest in a game (any game, really) after so much time. Not to mention… you got older, too, and your tastes evolved.

I can’t really recommend you another game from your post (your question is way too broad, just play whatever, you don’t have to stick to one single game). But maybe you should consider that Minecraft is fine, that you spent maybe too much time with it, that it’s time to move on, and to be at peace with it.

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- haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Thanks for elaborating. I can see your point.
  
  What I‘m somewhat weary of is the idea that there is a „way of doing things“ for a lot of folks. That way is not for everyone. playing a particular game over a long time (among others) isn’t unhealthy or wrong. Also, just because the gaming industry forces marketing down our throats doesnt mean a game needs to change or we need to be ok with it.
  
  Think chess. How did it change in the past 10 years, or 20?
  
  My point is not nostalgia but I miss a neurological bias called the framing effect. This makes me see things a lot different than a lot of folks. And from that pov, a great game changing and focusing on something else than it has in the past in my mind is perfectly reasonable.
  
  I do get that people are upset with how I phrased it. I was frustrated and needed to talk about it. People didnt like that and I understand it.
  
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  - ombremad@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yeah I get it too, and I understand there’s nothing wrong with playing the same game for a long time. But a lot of people will get tired of the same game after 10 years. Even chess, not everyone dedicates a lifetime to it.
    
    Nostalgia can be very strong when you have a very strong connection with a game. I miss the times when I ate pizza with my friends and played Rock Band together all night long. I could still play Rock Band, but it’s not the same anymore. What I miss is that point in time, the context, the friends who’re not there anymore. The game hasn’t changed. I did, and my life did.
    
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Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Life is too short to worry about what people think. If you like the game, play it! That being said, Valheim has an older player base and scratches the same itch.

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Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Why spend time worry about what toxic gamer think?

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- haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I dont. My point was the game changed to cater to a different audience and I am fed up by it.
  
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  - gnomesaiyan@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I started playing Minecraft Oct. 2010, and despite what you think, it wasn’t a “grown up game” and a LOT of kids played back then as they do today. The only difference is that Microsoft bought it and commercialized the shit out of it. Whatever, not the first time I’ve heard this bedtime story.
    
    Meanwhile, if you don’t like the state of affairs in gaming, make your own game or help someone make one, but don’t come here with a shitty attitude that nothing meets your expectations. Be the change you want to see.
    
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  - DeGandalf@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Sure, the Mojang team itself tried to make it more accessible, which is a very reasonable thing to do for any game really. I know there are many games, where a wiki is mandatory, buta game should explain itself, so I understand why they did that.
    
    However (although I haven't really followed it) the community still seems to be pretty much the same as before to me. If anything the stuff they archieved is even bigger, than back then. Stuff like Distant Horizons or the Create Mod could simply nit have existed back then.
    
    What I'm getting at is that you don't have to play vanilla and there are more possibilities than ever before (including lots and lots of modpacks and servers, which definitely do need an external wiki)
    
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Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Have you played Stardew Valley? That’s another great game to sink a few years into.

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- haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I havent yet but it looks cool!
  
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Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Play Java edition and play large modpacks. The servers I’ve played on have an average age of 25-35.

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- haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Thanks for the suggestion. I already host a couple java servers which is what keeps me playing. Its the changes to the game itself that keep me guessing as well as the low key fear that java may get discontinued at some point because bedrock make number go up.
  
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- Enkers@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yeah, this, not too many kids playing GT:NH.
  
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INeedMana@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Maybe Satisfactory? Or Factorio?

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- trigonated@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Quite irresponsible of you to just recommend those games like that without any sort of warning :P
  
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- haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I have both and sunk about 300 hours into each. Very cool games. Thanks for mentioning them.
  
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  - INeedMana@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Ah, so survival base building is a good lead. I’m not into this genre but I’ve heard about these (in order as they came to my mind):
    
    Foundry
    
    Dyson Sphere Program
    
    Green Hell
    
    Valheim
    
    Subnautica
    
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hstde@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
If you still like Minecraft, you can go back to a version you are interested in. Many people are still playing beta 1.7.3. Maybe try the “Better than adventure” mod.

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- haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Thats an awesome idea! I might do this. Thanks.
  
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AnonTwo@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I don't recall it ever being considered a grown up game though. Even when Minecraft first came out most of the people I played with was more interested in playing WoW.

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- haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The main reason I stumbled across minecraft was the fact that I had stopped playing games mostly at that point and only played console if at all. When minecraft started, I read about it in a tech magazine and had bought a new computer recently for writing resumes I think. Thats why I wasnt caught up by wow I think.
  
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amzd@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Vintage story

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otp@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Dwarf Fortress?

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- haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Will check it out! Thank you! :)
  
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reflex@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
EVE Online.

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Shawdow194@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Check out 'Rimworld'

I've sunk many hours into the game. It rarely goes on discount but I and many other players have found the price tag pays for the hours of content it provides many times over

P.S I find the newer caves to be much more challenging and certainly more interesting than the old caves. Plus you can just not use the recipe book and play on hard or hardcore mode

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- haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I actually own rimworld and multiple dlcs. Ive sunk 300+ hrs in there as well. Its awesome, no doubt. I raided a hole planet once which was fun. Good suggestion though. :)
  
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RainfallSonata@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
ITT: So many corporate apologists.

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- haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  More like „someone said bad thing about minecraft! Get 'im!“
  
  Still reading through hatemail but so far not one with an „I have a different opinion, here is it.“ am I frustrated? Absolutely. Is it ok to dogpile on me? Yes, if you’re an antisocial jerk.
  
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  - RainfallSonata@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    My adult son grew up on Minecraft. I think he was about seven when he started playing. By the time he was in middle school he was building working computers in it. He ran his own servers and met all his current friends there, from England and France and other US states. They don’t play it anymore.
    
    I’ve only played a couple times myself, but I still follow the Minecraft account on Facebook, because it was something he was interested in, and because my job is tangential to children. Even I can see how much it’s moved toward Roblox and away from the creative sandbox it used to be.
    
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squid_slime@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’d care less but other great game are Velaim, 7 Days To Die, Project Zombiod

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- haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Thanks for mentioning them. The last two are on my wishlist.
  
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savbran@feddit.it ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I think the best approach is: search, try and stick with games you enjoy the most 🙂

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