Over 80 percent of new cars sold in Norway were electric in 2023

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https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/2/24022282/over-80-percent-of-new-cars-sold-in-norway-were-electric-in-2023

Over 80 percent of new cars sold in Norway were electric in 2023::New figures released by the Norwegian Road Federation say 82.4 percent of new cars sold in the country last year were electric, up from 79.3 percent in 2022. Tesla, Toyota, and Volkswagen were the most popular brands, with Tesla’s Model Y making up almost a fifth of new sales. Reuters notes that Norway intends to end the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in 2025.

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Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Norway has been pretty famously aggressive with incentives for EVs, but remember, Norway is a petro state. Half of Norway’s exports are fossil fuels.

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Muffi@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
80% of microplastics in the oceans are from car wheels. Electric cars are only slightly better for the environment than ICEs, but no personal vehicle will ever be sustainable. We need to upgrade public transportation to handle our transportational needs, and we need this upgrade process to start years ago.

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- GiddyGap@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Electric cars are only slightly better for the environment than ICEs
  
  They are much, much better than ICEs on emissions when fueled with renewable electricity.
  
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  - Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The problem is ppl forget that manufacturing of EVS adds to the climate crisis too. REDUCE and REUSE. Ideally we should be reducing the use of personal cars and focus on public transport. That an reusing older model cars (even ICE’s) that are more fuel efficient
    
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- asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I agree, but I think a more attainable solution is to try to find a better way of disposing of car tires and garbage in general rather than trying to reduce / remove cars from the streets.
  
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GiddyGap@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Which undermines the argument that EVs don’t work in cold weather. They are just less efficient.

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Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
AFAIK Toyota Yaris doesn’t exist as an EV, only Hybrid.
Hybrid is not electric, it’s not ICE either, that’s why it’s called Hybrid!

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- coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The article doesn’t claim the Yaris is an EV. It claims that 80% op total car sales were EV’s. The Yaris probably is in the 20%. The Toyota BZ4X is in the 80%.
  
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  - Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Ah yes I see that now, kind of poor journalism to not mark which are actually electric, making it just a list of 20 cars that says nothing except they are in the top 20. Not very useful. It only says Toyota Yaris, which exist as both self charging and normal ICE, and Kona exist both as EV and ICE, so are they lumped together?
    
    Stupid schematic to include, when it doesn’t say anything relevant to the article.
    
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- halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  If you put Gas in it to drive, it’s not an electric.
  
  I agree, but it is a bit more complicated depending on model and drivetrain as well in certain situations.
  
  Some hybrids the electric is an assist that’s always there. Other models operate using electric only at lower speeds, then switch to gas for higher speeds and distance driving. In some cities with severe stop and go traffic congestion, that may effectively be an electric vehicle most of the time.
  
  Either way though, for a comparison like this hybrids should be considered their own category, or be included in ICE if just trying to compare EV sales versus traditional sales.
  
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  - Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    In this case it’s a self charging meaning the electricity is 100% generated by an ICE motor. Meaning the driving energy is 100% Gas.
    Doesn’t matter that the gas energy is used to generate electricity, it’s still 100% gas, and can easily be measured as such, and taxed as such.
    
    Plugin Hybrids are a bit different, but are still not electric, and shouldn’t enjoy the tax benefits of being electric, and shouldn’t be included in stats for electric, because they are not.
    
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- Xeminis@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Nothing here suggests Yaris is electric. It is a list of all the most popular models in Norway (including ICE) with their market shares, and the electric ones (so not Yaris) are over 82%. Yaris would be in the gas-hybrid category of 6%, or in the plug-in hybrid category with another 8%.
  
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  - Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yes, that’s already been stated, and I have recognized that.
    
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- VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Hybrid is not electric, it’s not ICE either, that’s why it’s called Hybrid!
  
  Hybrid means “both this and that”, not “neither this nor that”. I’m pretty sure kids learn that in elementary school, middle school at the very latest 🤦
  
  You’re also wrong about the rest but I don’t care enough about your nonsense to go into further detail.
  
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RobotToaster@mander.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Doesn’t Norway have a very classist motoring policy?

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- Fjern@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Please provide more information. Thank
  
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  - RobotToaster@mander.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    My understanding is their tax policy makes it so only the very wealthy can afford a car.
    
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- UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  High import taxes, as with everything else in Norway. EVs were exempt from a lot of the taxes, which is partly why they got popular.
  
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skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Makes sense with their cheap and abundant hydropower

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