I’ve always found it both weird and ironic that GrapheneOS is only available for Pixel phones when the whole principle of the project is basically “we don’t trust Google”.
What happened to LineageOS? Has it been replaced by GrapheneOS?
Submitted 11 months ago by concrete_baby@sh.itjust.works to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
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Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The pixel device is (as far as I’m aware) the only mainstream device that allows you to re-lock the boot loader.
Otherwise, once a phone is cracked, it remains cracked. I’m not entirely sure what that buys, but that’s why they do it
afunkysongaday@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Most brands allow relocking bootloader. But after that you with be only able to use stock rom. Pixel lets you lock the bootloader with a different signature, so in this example you are basically able to lock it to only boot grapheneos and nothing else.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Security. You’re caught with your pants down if you have any personal data on a phone with an unlocked bootloader. All data is effectively plaintext, all security is nullified with trivial difficulty. This is the actual worst-case scenario for journalists, whistleblowers, or anyone who is or may become under surveillance for any reason.
ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They also have an accessible secure element that graphene uses a lot. I’d recommend listening to the podcast interviews with graphene staff
throwaway12345678@monyet.cc 11 months ago
This isn’t true at all. Daniel Micay has stated multiple times the goal isn’t to degoogle, it’s to provide a secure and private OS. They worked tirelessly to integrate GMS compatibility layer and give users the choice to install sandboxed Google play for app compatability.
GrapheneOS has said countless times that by using Linux and other open source softwares that Google contributes massive amounts of code, you ARE inherently trusting them to not be malicious nitter.1d4.us/GrapheneOS/…/1672998518573740033#m
Google play does what it says and they are very open about what data they collect, which is obviously a lot. GrapheneOS stops much of this collection through sandboxing, where you can deny any permissions you desire.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 11 months ago
G provides a phone that is incredibly friendly to developers (as friendly as it can get without free hookers and blow), in all aspects, which makes sense considering they want devs to adopt android as their platform for apps and stuff. This also goes into things like security vulnerabilies/research, and also alternative android-based systems. It’s humorous but not at all ironic. Be friendly to devs, and make money hand over fist because of it.
It’s logical for both, just for very different motives.
rah@feddit.uk 11 months ago
What happened to LineageOS?
Nothing. What makes you think something happened to it?
DrownedRats@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s still very much alive! Still getting regular updates on my S10 and even security updates for my OnePlus 3t.
skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 11 months ago
[deleted]jodanlime@midwest.social 11 months ago
I ran sailfish on my 1+1 back in the day for a while. It was a nice OS but the app ecosystem was just horrible and their android compatibility just never worked right for me.
TWeaK@lemm.ee 11 months ago
No lol GrapheneOS is a different project run by developer divas. It’s super secure, but only if you use a Google phone, which totally makes it safe. The television ad told me so.
LineageOS is the main pure AOSP ROM, over all the others. It’s still chugging along quite fine, albeit its customisation options have always been fairly limited compared to other custom ROMs.
If you’re using LineageOS4MicroG and complaining about updates, well, you wouldn’t be the first. This fork follows the main tree but updates veeeeeery slowly, such that there are always people asking if it’s dead. So far, after every one of the countless times that’s happened, it’s still been going - so it probably still is.
I personally run DivestOS and feel happy. No developer drama, and I’m not locked in to Google hardware. Ultimately though, all Android phone hardware manufacturers play the same games. It sickens me that so many of them require you to ask their permission to unlock the bootloader on the device you own.
atocci@kbin.social 11 months ago
I'm using LineageOS 20 right now, waiting on 21. I've been getting weekly updates since I installed it, so things seem fine for them.
Glifted@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Also on Lineage and loving it
Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Aren’t they differing systems? Graphene was mostly pixel / Google devices. Whereas lineageos was a hunch of different devices. Lineageos was an evolution from cryomod
Fake4000@lemmy.world 11 months ago
No. They are two different projects.
Lineage is about providing a Google free version of android AOSP and supporting as many phones as possible.
Graphene is about making a privacy centric version of android that can run Google apps sandboxed. Graphene only supports pixel phones.
afunkysongaday@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Lineage is not about providing a google free version of Android. It does not contain google apps, for licensing reasons, probably also to let the user choose. But it does not go further, all the other stuff like captive portal check, agps, dns etc still uses google servers. It’s not “degoogled” in any way. Love lineage btw but we need to be aware of what it is and isn’t.
atocci@kbin.social 11 months ago
I wonder where this misconception is coming from, it's the second time in the last few days I've seen it. I can't remember custom roms ever coming with the Google apps preinstalled, you'd always need to flash them separately before the first boot (thanks XDA). That's why we have MindTheGApps.
kzhe@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Is there still a good guide on how to fully degoogle lineage?
Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Does graphene allow banking apps ? Does it trip safety net ?
Metz@lemmy.world 11 months ago
grapheneos.org/usage#banking-apps
rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
I think GrapheneOS isn’t made for that purpose. It’s made to be safe and do privacy well. I think signature spoofing etc is kinda an opposing requirement. I don’t think everything works. My TAN App works, though. Google Pay doesn’t.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 11 months ago
And a few non-pixel devices, though it’s incredibly short list. Expansion was to start last fall, afaik.
DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
I’d love to see this come to fruition. I’ve wanted Graphene since I first heard about it but refuse to pay the Google tax for admission and live with all the restrictions a Google device comes with