Submitted 3 weeks ago by schizoidman@lemmy.zip to energy@slrpnk.net
That is amazing! I have just started making sodium ion battery chargers in my free time.
The bad thing abouslt sodium ion is that traditional CC/CV charging is harsh on the cells. Optimally each cell had to be CV charged at around 97.5% of its voltage end and then slowly brought up to 100%. Apparently that is how you get the most life cycles per cell
povoq@slrpnk.net@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago Why bother with the last 2.5% at all?
Good question!
Sodium ion already had a reduced capacity (30% less at least than Lithium ion). And 2.5% of voltage is not 2.5% of capacity, something more like 3-4% (still small)
You could then just choose to use a configurable lithium ion IC, but almost all of those have an undervoltage lock out (safety shutoff) that is 2-2.5V that you would have to stay above. Sodium ion drops out at 1.5V, so I would again be losing a chunk of capacity. If I lost 30%-35% of capacity on an already reduced capacity cell compared to lithium ion, then battery life would be quite disappointing.
Do that rules out using a standard Lithium-ion charger.
If I am building a custom charger anyway (most non- embedded systems have custom chargers), then might as well put in all the features now and get 100% of the capacity. Cells usually also have a higher lifespan (double or more) by dropping that high CV charge voltage 0.1V or so and settling for lower capacity, but Sodium Ion lifespan is already 3000-5000 cycles compares to lithium’s 500-1000 (lithium ion and li-po, lithium iron phosphate is in the higher range) so might as well then use the full capacity.
Some people who are like “I bought 100% of my product so I shall use 100%”
They don’t. Outside of the lab, they just recalibrate and call 95% “100”.
Can this technology be used to retrofit existing devices with batteries of higher energy-density, such as phones, laptops, and mobile game consoles? Or is it really only feasible/worthwhile for large capacity usage?
Good Lithium-ion batteries have around 350 Wh/kg, so if you retrofit your devices, you’d be cutting out almost half the capacity, so at the moment it’s not feasible yet.
Once the form factor is there and the loading voltage is the same (or the charging circuit can be replaced), I don’t see why it shouldn’t work
For high energy density lithium ion is still king.
At room temperature 25C. In colder environments, lithium is shit.
Not limited to large capacity, but to low-density applications where size isn’t critical. Also anywhere that very cold weather is likely
So no wearables, phones, etc… But more stationary applications.
But solar mesh nodes (home or agricultural/industrial), off-grid pumps, power banks (camping style), home solar storage, lead acid car battery replacements, weather stations, electric toothbrushes, lights/lanterns, light tools like laser levels, etc… Things that traditionally used alkaline batteries (often recently switching to Lithium for recharging)
at what price?
25% less than lithium.
There was a recent e-bike company claiming to use this sort of technology but they were full of shit.
As cool as it is I hope it doesn’t become the new hype words for investors.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
China has had production cars with sodium ion batteries for 2 years. I wonder when scientists will build enough Freedom into them for me to buy one in America.
sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
CATL and Changan announced earlier this year that they’d be releasing the first mass produced EV with sodium ion batteries in mid 2026, and that sodium ion model still hasn’t launched yet. What other vehicle are you saying beat them to this?
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
JAC Yiwei E10X late 2023
JMEV EV3 early 2024
Chery iCar / Little Ant
Unfortunately that’s communist technology, so it’s banned for your own good.
Real patriots only drive pickups that burn through fuel like AI data centers burn through water.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Sodium cells last about half as many cycles as lithium. Poor choice for a car.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sodium cells also cost half as much to produce. Better cold-weather performance and charging to 80% in 15 minutes might make up for that in many people’s minds. Not to mention sodium being much more abundant and available than lithium. Categorically saying they’re a poor choice for a car disagrees with multiple car companies - you must know more than they do.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And those ones are lasting longer than anyone expected.
They are cheaper to produceand safer, make replaceables easier ad get with the new tech.