An investigation by Wired reveals the grisly complications of Neuralink brain implants in monkeys, including brain swelling and paralysis.
Human beings are going to die at the hands of Neuralink surgeons.
Terrible Things Happened to Monkeys After Getting Neuralink Implants, According to Veterinary Records
Submitted 1 year ago by stopthatgirl7@kbin.social to technology@lemmy.world
https://futurism.com/neoscope/terrible-things-monkeys-neuralink-implants
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iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 1 year ago
admin@lemmy.my-box.dev 1 year ago
Probably. Human beings also died when we were figuring out organ transplants, and still do, sometimes.
gaylord_fartmaster@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah the deaths from organ transplants, the risky operations performed as a last ditch effort to save patients who would otherwise die from incurable organ failure, definitely justifies killing 1500 monkeys to allow people to tweet by thinking.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
A transplanted organ is considered a morbid condition in and of itself. The patient is dying, just less quickly than without the transplant.
I’d think this might have improved with cloned organs, but I don’t think those are common enough to tell.
Billionaires do not seem ro mind when people die for their vanity projects, and Musk is pushing this one quickly.
skymtf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Elon is a Nazi who wants to experiment on disabled people.
TheMusicalFruit@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Neuralink is doing important research and their product has the potential to really help disabled people. Musk shouldn’t gloss over what happened to the test animals, he should say the truth which is, doing neuro surgery on anything and preventing complications is extremely difficult. My dad could benefit from this type of product and it’s offensive to hear people accuse Neuralink of taking advantage of disabled people like they are unable to make rational choices. There already are orgs and companies putting similar wired brain implants into human subjects. It is the job of regulators to ensure they are ready to take that step, regardless of what Musk says or does. We should put our Musk hate aside and be happy the science is being advanced and could do some good for people that really need it.
TheMusicalFruit@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I assume those of you downvoting this comment think I’m a Musk fanboy. I’m not. Or you assume I don’t care about the animals. You’re partially correct. It sucks they died. But, it’s the best way to test this kind of technology before human trials, there are no better substitutes. I’m ok with sacrificing animal lives to save human ones. Downvote away.
GyozaPower@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Not necessarily a fanboy, but still incredibly naive to think that Elon has an actual plan to help people with these things rather than doing good ol’ Elon stuff which is experimenting with shit he does not understand just because it looks cool and makes him look like the Iron Man of real life.
Eric_Pollock@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think it’s less Musk hate/taking advantage of disabled people and more the abuse and misconduct when it came to these animals, and putting the fear into people that would ever be interested in this procedure that Neuralink would be extremely negligent when it came to installing and maintaining these devices.
Musk has said that these animals were extremely unwell/close to death when they were initially inducted into the study, but multiple anonymous employees have come forward stating that this isn’t true, and Neuralink had extensive evaluation and training to ready them for the process.
Regardless of the state of their health or amount of training, multiple test subjects had bleeding of the brain, infections, and damaged caused by them picking/pulling at the devices installed onto them as a result of the negligence of the ones who conducted these experiments. Is it not common sense to assume an animal who has no idea of what is happening to them to understand that they need to leave the device alone? There should have been measures taken to prevent them from prodding at these devices so as not to cause damage to them and subsequent injury and infection. These animals are living, breathing, conscious beings that have thoughts and fears, and being a part of this experiment would be an absolute nightmare for any living being capable of thought.
As for installing these devices on people who suffer from paralysis, if the people involved in the trials are not challenged mentally and can make the fully conscious decision to give Neuralink their consent, then nobody can argue with that regardless of the possible dangers of doing so. The science and technology of brain computer interfaces is not something to be ignored. It can be extremely valuable and could quite literally change the world, but it has to be done correctly and with extreme caution.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Musk is mad! Mad, I tell you!
gibmiser@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Well I was expecting some horror movie stuff with the headline Terrible Things. Monkeys fighting hallucinations or endless screaches of pain for no apparent reason.
This is just boring old paralysis and brain swelling. Poor monkeys.
Clevermistakes@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
True. The headline is sensationalist. It’s not unusual to have these types of effects from medical device testing, animals scratching at scars etc. but that doesn’t excuse the outright lying from Musk. These people signing up for the trial are insane.
andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Maybe it’s just because I have a deep-seated terror of brain surgery, but this all sounded absolutely terrifying to me.
I also hate, hate, HATE that Musk said that the monkeys were all ill. Not only is this 100% bullshit – this would completely invalidate the data – but it also indicates that like most things, he has a 13 year old’s understanding of life. He thinks that something that is sick has no right to safety, because, like, they’re already on borrowed time or something, right? I’m certain that to him, the stakes of these tests are lower because it’s not like, healthy full people like him who will eventually use these to get cybernetic super powers. These are humans with disabilities. They’re expendable test subjects.
TruTollTroll@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m sorry but, It really feels awful reading this comment, downplaying the horrific pain a torture these monkeys went through just to have some failed technology that did nothing for them… we did not even get good results from the test because a majority of the monkeys died from their complications… that’s is awful… most animals when ethical implications are considered for testing, don’t end up with majority of the subjects dying from terrible, preventable outcomes…
Laticauda@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
It’s not sensationalist. Paralysis and brain swelling as a result of neuralink are terrible things.
squiblet@kbin.social 1 year ago
He's testing it on paralyzed people, so they're probably depressed and desperate. It's kind of like he's trying to help, but it could be seen as sleazy because he knows these people will try anything to fix their situation.
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 1 year ago
Oh the monkeys also spoke with a clear and erudite Danish accent over and over “WHAT HAS BEEN DONE CANNOT BE UNDONE AND NOW ALL THAT IS WILL NOT BE”, and it’s said that those who looked upon the have not slept or spoken since. However that is not a vetinary issue.
Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Veterinary*
GyozaPower@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Idk, brain swelling is painful and suffering from it while paralysed until you die is kind of nightmarish. If anything, hallucinations look more tame than what actually happened.
monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 1 year ago
IDK that still sounds pretty terrible.