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• shamoon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  At the risk of getting internet-assaulted I am one of the primary devs, feel free to ask me about it. To address some of the issues already raised:

  • All the new “AI” (LLM) features are opt-in, meaning if you dont enable them you wont see them, literally. At all.
  • All of them can also be run local-only, of course.
  • There are a ton of other features as well.
  • One of our devs has made use of Claude especially around database schema improvements, which is a particularly tricky thing to work on. I dont like AI, I wish I could go back to the world before it, but I cant. So at this point it is almost absurd to not use LLM tools to some degree in programming. AI slop or vibe-coding is to do so indiscriminately, and I hate that too. Believe me we get tons of PRs from people with basically no dev experience or abilities… and we dont accept them. We expect the same from ourselves. We use it sparingly and very specifically, interrogate it aggresi

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  • tofu@lemmy.nocturnal.garden ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Thanks for chiming in! I don’t fully agree with your reasoning re the usage of AI but I can accept your stance and am glad that you implemented it opt in with no intention of annoying me into using it. I also know many people have been asking for those features for a while though.

    The person creating the issue has been downvoted here as well, even though this is a largely anti-ai place in my perception.

    By now I also found the upgrade guide which lists the main features - I usually read the release notes, but this time it was a whole lot and hard to take it all in.

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  • Knossos@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Thank you for the amazing work. This is, along side immich, my most used self hosted project. I’ll definitely give this a look over this weekend!

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  • Mister_Hangman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Respect for the nuance of the argument. Congrats on the major version.

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    • shamoon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Hey, dont believe me, Im just a random, but this guy seems like worth a listen: arstechnica.com/…/linus-torvalds-to-critics-of-ai…

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  • Devconsole@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I run paperless at my house and it’s given me back some sanity and some privacy. That’s a rare combo in 2026. From one techie to another: thank you very much. My actual family thanks you haha.

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  • mbirth@lemmy.ml ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    database schema improvements, which is a particularly tricky thing to work on

    Not, if you know what you’re doing.

    I dont like AI, I wish I could go back to the world before it, but I cant.

    You do know that you can use LLMs to get inspiration and suggestions but then still implement those things by hand? Which is also a great way to make sure it doesn’t change something else in the background. Also, if you use Claude like you’ve used StackOverflow and Google before, you don’t even have to mention it as a Co-Author.

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    • bmcgonag@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I disagree with your broad statement that SQL in general isn’t tricky to make more performant if you know what you’re doing. Worked with DBAs who have decades of experience who have gotten great help in streamlining queries and schemas from AI tools in the last couple of years.

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• mbirth@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  v3 Migration Guide

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• zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  FYI: they use Claude Code.

  Just in case anyone has an issue with that.

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  • mbirth@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Pro-tip: Block the user “claude” on GitHub and it’ll show you a warning for every repository where they forgot to remove the Co-Author tags:

    Image

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    • sunbeam60@feddit.uk ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Lots of people leave the tag in for transparency. The world must feel like such a conspiracy for you.

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    • dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Where they forgot to remove there are co-author tags.

      There are plenty of people who are interested in using tools that are available and also recognize that it is underhanded to hide that fact for people who feel strongly about it.

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• TheButtonJustSpins@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Goddamnit. I hope someone forks 2.20.

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  • something183786@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Why? The new LLM features are opt-in. Just don’t turn it on if you don’t want them. Or is there something else you don’t like?

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    • TheButtonJustSpins@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      If they weren’t using LLMs to code, I’d mostly agree with that. But projects that put effort into integrating LLMs likely use them as well (as is the case here).

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• iamthetot@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I may be mistaken, but I had looked into Paperless before and saw they had AI features before this. Is it just more, or more in your face? I was under the impression they were optional, at least when I looked into it.

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  • BartyDeCanter@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Honestly, this is one of those things where you need to define what AI means. Paperless 2.x used a machine learning-backed OCR library called Tesseract that has been in development since 1985.

    The current version does use a LSTM neural network, since 2018. Is that an AI? Fuck if I know because AI is a basically meaningless term.

    It’s not an LLM or a diffusion model, which is what backs a lot of the things people are calling AI nowadays.

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  • Willdrick@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Paperless always had some sort of primitive AI for document classification and auto tagging. I haven’t yet read the changes on 3.x but I’ve been using it for years and it’s like a dumb AI that needs a lot of guidance and manual tagging at first, but as time goes on, it “figures out” every document you throw in the ingest. I’ve been sending it emails, or uploading straight from the mobile app and its amazing, can’t go back to a folder filled with “Download(739).pdf” or “IMG_4926.jpg” files of random recipts and invoices

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    • vext01@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I agree. The AI features were very lightweight before. Just for auto tagging etc.

      Hope this isn’t a shitshow.

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  • RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    They added an AI chatbot that you can ask for information about the contents of the document you’re viewing. There’s more in the linked PR.

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• lambisio@feddit.cl ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  FUCK IT THEY GOT PAPERLESS-NGX TOOO???

  Fedis, what’s the best alternative?

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  • Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    what’s the best alternative?

    You’re asking for suggestions for an automatic document categorization tool that doesn’t use any automatic document categorization?

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    • TheButtonJustSpins@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      How about one that doesn’t use LLMs to code?

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    • lambisio@feddit.cl ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      You don’t need a knife to make a knife, and things like OCR are different from AI (or from “AI”).

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  • curbstickle_lw@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I’m going to go ahead and try to use this comment as a teachable moment.

    For one, this comment barely skirts the line to me as acceptable. If you aren’t interested in AI topics, thats what the [AIT] and [AIP] tags are for - for you, as a user, to choose what you are interested in and what you are not.

    The first part of your comment, by itself, I would have simply removed. You asked for alternatives, and are being rightfully replied to pointing out that this is all under the subject of automation, which (to me) barely puts this above low effort.

    If you don’t want to see AI discussions in the future, use the tags to filter. If I see more comments like this that are barely, and entirely subjectively just above low-effort, the bar is going to raise just a hair and they will be removed, as they will come across like trying to skirt the rules.

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• lemmyvore@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Last time I looked at Paperless-NGX it insisted on taking the source files and moving/renaming them so it could manage them itself. In fact IIRC the only way to add files was to give them to the app (or upload via web UI) so it could take them over.

  Does it still do that?

  I don’t like tools that demand to take over the original files. I’d prefer it if it could watch a read-only folder for new files. Immich for example or Jellyfin can do that.

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  • tofu@lemmy.nocturnal.garden ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Yeah it maintains it’s own folder structure and I’m not aware of a way past that (not that I looked).

    There’s several more options to get the documents into it though. Ingest folder, via email, certainly more.

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  • SomethingBurger@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    You can define the folder structure used by the app, so if needed, you can backup your documents as raw files (of course, you’ll lose metadata from Paperless).

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• Tealk@rollenspiel.forum ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Just installed via Ansible and it’s running without any issues so far. As far as I could tell visually, it’s running much faster.

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  • EarMaster@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    That’s good to hear. The performance of the UI was always an issue for me.

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• MIXEDUNIVERS@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  yes i have waited to start with my paperless journy because of the extra features und breaking changes.

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• sp0ker@nord.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I created an issue to tell the developers they made crap :

  https://github.com/paperless-ngx/paperless-ngx/issues/13209

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  • _Nemo_@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I do understand and share people’s hatred of corporate-owned, centralised cloud AI.

    I understand (though share to a lesser degree) people’s ethical concerns about how these models were trained (copyright has been broken for a while now, this just exacerbates it).

    But this level of outrage about using local models on an opt-in basis strikes me as hysterical.

    Feel free to change my mind.

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    • Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It reads as especially hysterical in this context, because Paperless is an automatic document categorization system, and I’m really sure what they think the automatic part of that is if it’s not “AI” of some broad description. Paperless, Papermerge et al are basically wrappers for machine learning tools and have been for as long as they’ve existed. LLMs are a natural and obvious fit for the kind of work these applications exist to do.

      This just feels like someone reading “Improved AI pathfinding” in the patch notes for a video game and screaming “OH MY GOD IS NOWHERE SAFE?!”

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  • cr8urown@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    You should be embarrassed by this.

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  • ohshit604@lemmy.halstead.host ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Guess you won’t be making issues there for a while eh

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  • Alvaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Lol, you suck

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  • SomeDudeFromSpace@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The saddest part is that you clearly generated that message using an LLM. Or are you going to tell me that em-dashes are part of your everyday writing?

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    • Wispy2891@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I have a dedicated button for em dashes on my keyboard /s

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    • lambisio@feddit.cl ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      2026

      complaining about em-dashes

      You are completely ignorant about where do AIs even get their data from, yes?

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• ddd@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I accidentally upgraded by blindly using the latest Docker tag, and the frontend of the new version is so much faster than before. Love to see it!

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• irmadlad@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I wonder if there’s a blogpost or something somewhere summarizing the main changes.

  I bet you could use AI summarize all the changes. LOL

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• Decronym@lemmy.decronym.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:

  Fewer Letters	More Letters
  Git	Popular version control system, primarily for code
  NAS	Network-Attached Storage
  Plex	Brand of media server package
  RAID	Redundant Array of Independent Disks for mass storage
  RPi	Raspberry Pi brand of SBC
  SBC	Single-Board Computer
  SSD	Solid State Drive mass storage
  VPN	Virtual Private Network

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  [Thread #60 for this comm, first seen 23rd Jul 2026, 10:40] [FAQ] [Full list] [Contact] [Source code]

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  • curbstickle@anarchist.nexus ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    @two9a@lemmy.world your bot is breaking again pulling in words not used in the discussions.

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    • Two9A@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Mm, I expect there are still some old rows from the previous database before the Upgrade-Gone-Wrong. Will take a look when I get a spare moment Sunday.

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