Why won’t Steam Machine support HDMI 2.1? Digging in on the display standard drama.

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• who@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  the HDMI Forum (which manages the official specifications for HDMI standards) has officially blocked any open source implementation of HDMI 2.1.

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  • Empricorn@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Assholes.

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    • Croquette@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      They want to make money

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  • slazer2au@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    And here are those companies making that decision

    hdmiforum.org/members/

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    • bookmeat@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You only need to get down the list to broadcom before it becomes obvious this isn’t going to change.

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    • blinfabian@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      so pretty much all important companies ☹️

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  • scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I’m glad more people are hearing how it’s this group of standards assholes who are causing it.

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  • MrSoup@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Laughs in displayport

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    • sorghum@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I really wish displayport on TVs would take off.

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    • lengau@midwest.social ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I don’t know why the Steam Machine doesn’t have DisplayPort 2.0 (release June 2019)…

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    • zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      That’s the idea

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  • Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    How, though? I’m not terribly knowledgeable about the law, but I know interoperability is one of the major sources of exceptions to copyright protection, and the whole Google vs Oracle saga would imply there’s nothing illegal about making your own implementation of a standard without permission.

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    • freeman@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      AMD is a member of the HDMI consortium and is probably bound by private agreements to not make open source drivers without permission from the consortium. They did try to get them to budge but they didn’t.

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    • grue@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Copyright, patent, trademark, and trade secret laws are all entirely different and have almost nothing to do with each other (don’t be fooled by the property-rights-hating shysters who try to gaslight you into lumping them all as “intellectual property[sic]”).

      Trademarks and patents don’t have the same kinds of interoperability exceptions that copyright does, and you can’t claim to “support HDMI™” without licensing rights to those in addition to whatever copyrighted code you might need for the software side of the implementation.

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• grue@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Valve tells Ars its “trying to unblock” limits caused by open source driver closed source corporate megalomania issues.

  FTFthem. Open Source is not the problem here.

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  • ch00f@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Surprised they didn’t take the opportunity to push DisplayPort a little more.

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    • Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      the problem is although its a pc, valve wants it to sort of appeal to console users. and the problem is that the HDMI forum members are also TV manufacturers. they are very unlikely to ever support displayport.

      as long as TVs are more popular than monitors, that trend of HDMI holding control will never cease.

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    • grue@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I’m a little disappointed, but not surprised. This thing is designed to be used in the living room hooked up to the TV, after all.

      The fact of A/V consumer electronics standardizing on HDMI instead of DisplayPort is kinda not Valve’s problem to solve, as much as I’d like it to try.

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• BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Greed.

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• fum@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Is display port better in this regard?

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  • bhamlin@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yes, as the standard is more or less open source. There are no barriers to entry.

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    • fum@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      That’s what I suspected. So rather than fighting HDMI, we need to buy display port instead.

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    • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Except it’s not on any TVs.

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  • Psythik@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yes but gaming TVs are all HDMI-only, so this is a major issue for a gaming PC that is being designed for the living room.

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• lib1@hexbear.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  DisplayPort4eva

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• deliriousdreams@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Is it licensing fees? I bet it is.

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  • sawdustprophet@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Is it licensing fees? I bet it is.

    From the article:

    the HDMI Forum (which manages the official specifications for HDMI standards) has officially blocked any open source implementation of HDMI 2.1. That means the open source AMD drivers used by SteamOS can’t fully implement certain features that are specific to the updated output standard.

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    • Chais@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      And that’s why HDMI can fuck right off. Display Port is new bae.

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    • graymess@hexbear.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Man, I fucking hate HDMI.

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• BootLoop@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Wonder if they can ship a proprietary HDMI part of the driver or if there’s going to be an unofficial 2.1 driver patch that can be installed down the line.

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