Options for remote Wake-on-lan. Or I guess wake on WAN.

Submitted ⁨⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨pineapple@lemmy.ml⁩ to ⁨selfhosted@lemmy.world⁩

So I want to setup a remote backup location at my parents house although they are very mindful about there electricity usage and environmental impact (and so am I) so I don’t want to have to have a pc always on when it doesn’t need to be.

Is it possible to setup remote Wake-on-lan so I can schedule my homelab at my place to wake up the server at my parents house and start a backup like once a week, I want to do this in a secure fashion as well so ideally no port forwarding, I currently use cloudflare tunnels for my home network.

Are there any other options or do you have a similar setup at your place?

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cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
You could use a very low power computer that’s always on like a Raspberry PI Zero W to send the WoL packet to the backup computer. It only uses about 1 watt. Some routers have the ability to send a WoL packet as well.

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- JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  You can even use an ESP32 or similar since it just has to perform 1 tiny function.
  
  Getting an WT32-ETH01 knockoff dev board for 15€ or PoE for 25€ and uses <300mW with the wireless modem off. You could even just use a WiFi module for 8€ if you don’t want something wired.
  
  registry.platformio.org/libraries/…/WakeOnLan
  
  There is already an wakeonlan library to generate a packet very easily.
  
  You can even do it in pseudocode with ESPHome if you have HomeAssistant
  
  community.home-assistant.io/t/…/617595
  
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  - WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    Then VPN in, send a signal to the esp using one of various methods to tell it to send the packet.
    
    this sounds like it requires another computer already turned on
    
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- artyom@piefed.social ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  And how do you communicate with the Pi0?
  
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  - BCsven@lemmy.ca ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Wireguard between you and remote device like a pi. Set pi to portfowarding and masquerading on. It will then let you be on say a 10.x.x x network remotely but will send info on the remote LAN like it came from that pi local IP
    
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  - cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Use SSH. Ether open a port in the firewall or connect it to a VPN. If the backups are done on a schedule, you could also setup a cron job on the Pi to send the WoL packet a few minutes ahead of time.
    
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TeddE@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
For a reliable and useful remote control solution, you’re looking for an IPKVM with ATX power control. To setup the power control, you effectively set up a parallel circuit where your power switch connects to the motherboard, letting the KVM effectively press the power button ‘normally’. As a bonus, you can connect to the video and data of the KVM for even more remote control options, like be able to troubleshoot boot issues or load a virtual CD/DVD to upgrade the OS.

For tinkerers, I recommend the PiKVM, either DIY or Preassembled. It’s important to know that a RaspberryPi is energy efficient compared to an x86. This guy crunched the numbers

If you’re looking for a product instead of a project, I’d recommend JetKVM.

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CameronDev@programming.dev ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
If timers on the bios aren’t an option, look for the settings to power on after power outage. If you turn it on, you can use a standard timer plug to turn the power on and off.

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FrederikNJS@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I have a Raspberry Pi with a Wireguard VPN on it. So on my android phone, I connect to the Wireguard VPN, and then I use this app to trigger the WakeOnLan:

play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bitklog…

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i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I do backups with a Raspberry Pi with a 1TB SD card and leave it on all the time. The power draw is very small and I think reasonable for the value of offsite backups.

My personal experience with WOL (or anything related to power state of computers) is that it’s not reliable enough for something offsite. If you can set something up that’s stable, awesome, but if your backup server is down and you need to travel to it, that suuuucks.

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- dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Friendly warning that SD cards are not a backup. Those things die, frequently and without warning. They also bitrot fast. If you value the data being backed up, choose a more stable medium.
  
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- pineapple@lemmy.ml ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I already have 2x2tb hard drives, a singular sd card is not enough for me I need some level of redundancy even for my backups.
  
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badlotus@discuss.online ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I use Upsnap on a low-power SBC behind a reverse proxy: github.com/seriousm4x/UpSnap

Before that I used the WoL feature on my Asus router.

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Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Can you set the BIOS to wake up at a certain time? Many have that option.

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- pineapple@lemmy.ml ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I didn’t realise the bios could do that I will look into that.
  
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  - lemming741@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    man.archlinux.org/man/rtcwake.8.en
    
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Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Just ask Ian to start your computer when he goes on it

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- pineapple@lemmy.ml ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Lan is not the name of my parent 💀
  
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comrade_twisty@feddit.org ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Home Assistant can send wake on lan commands.

If you have a remotely accessible Home Assistant Server on your LAN it can send the commands for you on the LAN while you access it remotely.

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- pineapple@lemmy.ml ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I don’t have home assistant setup in my parents place, that is a nice feature though I might use that for other things.
  
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drkt_@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I’ve been mentally experimenting with an ESP32 hooked up to my desktop’s PWR header with a switch. I’ve done worse than that before, so I know it’ll work. I just haven’t gotten my ass around to it. I can send commands to it through my domain via Apache acting as a reverse proxy.

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- antimongo@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Hey I did exactly this a few years ago! Uses an optocoulper for isolation. I flashed ESPHome on it and connected it to my Home Assistant instance.
  
  Works like a charm!
  
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- pineapple@lemmy.ml ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  That actually seams pretty awsome, just using a really low powered device to send WOL commands.
  
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- B0rax@feddit.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  There are ready made modules for it that slot into an unused PCIe slot into your case. They are available on aliexpress, search for „tuya WiFi pc power switch)
  
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brickfrog@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Wake on LAN is a LAN feature, not WAN, so you’d need to issue that over the local LAN there at the house. You’re going to have a hard time trying to get that working over the WAN (if that’s even possible).

The other comments mentioning a scheduled boot would be a much easier/simple solution if it works for you.

But I’ll throw this in, the super basic least tech solution to this is to open a port forward to the house’s network router. Yes, I know you don’t want to do that, but it’s probably the only network device at that house that’s actually on 24/7 right? And by all means lock it down however you like. My simple method is to open the router login to a non-standard port number, with a IP whitelist, add my own home IP address to that IP whitelist, and bam you now have access to that remote home’s router for just your IP address. Log in remotely, issue a wake on LAN via the router’s own web ui, done.

It’s perfectly reasonable to make this a bit more secure if you wanted but it gets slightly more complicated - open a non-standard port for SSH access to the remote router’s SSH port that only allows SSH login with key. Generate a SSH key and share that key with yourself, then you can log in remotely to that remote house via non-standard SSH port using the SSH key (no user/passwords). From there you’d have to see if you can issue Wake on LAN on the SSH command line, or set up a SSH tunnel from that remote LAN to yours so you can proxy into the router login page and do your Wake on LAN from there. … yes I realize this got complicated :/ But you’ve got a few things to explore given your patience for tinkering with this stuff :)

Of course much of this relies on that house’s router having any of these features to enable and configure. The main takeaway here is that Wake on LAN requires something on 24/7 at that remote LAN for you to enable remote access into and issue a Wake on LAN command within that LAN. How to actually accomplish that is the tricky bit.

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modular950@lemmy.zip ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
it ain’t pretty, and may not quite suit what you’re looking for. other comments recommending a pi or similar are likely better taste. but here’s what I’ve done:

I have a cheap Android tablet that stays home and is connected to our home network. if needed, I connect to the tablet with TeamViewer and use a WoL app to send the packet to my computer on that same network.

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pp99@sh.itjust.works ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
you can configure bios for self power on at certain time and then turn the server off after finishing backup

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- sundaylab@lemmy.ml ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Second that. I don’t have another node that I can use for WoL at my backup location so I opted for the node to turn on every morning, run the backup and turn off using cron at a given time. Works perfectly!
  
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postnataldrip@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Booting on a schedule as others have suggested would be the simplest by far.

To answer as asked though, it’s not something I’ve needed to do but it sounds like a VPN + IGMP proxy (I’m assuming you have a separate subnet for your VPN) might fit the bill.

Alternatively some kind of low power device (a Pi or something) that lives in the same subnet could make the WOL call locally, and you just need to find a way to trigger it. Could do it via a http call for example.

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