Submitted 1 year ago by pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee to meta@lemm.ee
TO THE ADMINS: Read this thread and give me one good reason why federating with toxic, propaganda spreading tankie loons is a good idea.
No one wants those fucks, or the alt right dipshits for that matter, around, and they’re spreading blatant lies, yet I see they are here. Does lemm.ee only care about boosting its numbers and is willing to sink to new lows to do it, I wonder? 🤔
I’ve personally found the hexbear locals to be really inclusive, and pleasant to interact with. I couldn’t say I agree with the totality of their political outlooks, but I’ve not found them particularly unreasonable.
What about the Lemmygrad retards trying to claim Tianamen Square didn’t happen? How the hell is that reasonable or okay?
probably best not to call people retards if you want to stay on the high road
I don’t have an opinion, because I really haven’t interacted with the Lemmygrad folks. Their instance culture just isn’t really my bag, so I don’t find much opportunity to engage.
I second. Please do the instance a favor and disconnect from them. They are bad faith actors here to do nothing but cause chaos. If I could block them on my own, I would have done it day one.
Most of the apps allow you to block communities or entire instances. I’ve been using connect, it’s free and let’s you block. Most of the reason I downloaded it.
It doesn’t really work for comments though (it only places a content warning over them) which is 75% of the reason why hexbear is so horrible in the first place.
Please don’t defederate because others have different views. There’s an ocean of difference between right wing fascists advocating for the elimination, enslavement, or oppression of innocent peoples and “tankies” who ultimately want to help people even if they have a different path to get there and some can be dicks about it.
I don’t have an issue with people having different views, but I had to block a ton of that shit due to the blatant propaganda. I have to think it’s filled with Chinese bots at this point. Saying the Tianamen square massacre didn’t happen is akin to Holocaust denial. It’s insane propaganda.
Saying the Tianamen square massacre didn’t happen is akin to Holocaust denial. It’s insane blatant shilling.
To me, these are not equivalent. Things are bad because they harm or promote harm to innocent people. A person not believing a particular, and controversial historical event, on it’s own, does not make a person bad, insane, or mean they’re shilling.
Holocaust deniers are typically bad people because denial of that event is part of their larger anti-semitism. It’s an aspect of their hatred of innocent people. It is acceptance of genocide.
Denying that the events of Tiananmen Square in 1989 were a massacre is not a part of hating innocent people. It’s instead based on not trusting the U.S. government, an organzation with an incredible history of lying, gaslighting, and media manipulation. Unfortunately, they seem to instead trust a different government with a similarly incredibly bad history.
Modern day tankies are indistinguishable from fascists since they shill for fascist shitholes like Russia and China. I don’t care about intent, everyone can lie about it. You can’t lie about outcomes.
This is my problem. I support communist and socialist eonomic ideals and reforms, all these tankies claiming China or worse Russia are somehow actually communist hurts the cause. They’re basically fascist nationalists claiming to be communist. It’s infuriating…
Your argument makes absolutely no sense. “Don’t defederate because you disagree with their views” when it comes to left-wing/communist extremists, yet you turn around and complain about places with right-wing/fascist extremist places existing. As others have said, doesn’t matter what “side” they’re on, violent extremists are cut from the same cloth in that way. Personally, I’m with the admins here, in that I don’t mind being federated with either of them so long as they play by the rules here. But then again, I tend to stick to my own interests and set my default view to Subscribed, and don’t venture into the All feed much. Even then, I haven’t really noticed what people are complaining about very much. If people here are smart enough to know real misinformation when they see it, they can just scroll on and ignore it.
Have you considered hosting your own instance? Its not difficult and you can control exactly who you federate with.
I shouldn’t have to as that costs money. It’s the admin’s job to fix his sub, not mine.
If he’s a tankie or a supporter of them, he has a responsibility to us to be honest about that fact instead of allowing them to run roughshod and inundate the instance with propaganda. He KNOWS they don’t belong here but he’s ignoring the problem. That means he either is one of them, supports them or is being taken in by them. And that’s a serious problem that will affect the whole federation, not just this one instance.
If tankies get away with doing that here, they’ll do it to other admins, and poison the whole federation. It’ll be impossible for new instances to flourish without kowtowing to them, and so it has to be stopped here and now with the bigger instances.
How do you foresee tankies poisoning the whole fediverse? Do you find their arguments compelling? It doesn't even seem like they are trying to make a case, they are just bluntly stating misinformation. If we are going to remove all misinformation then we are going to need paid admins because even at the current scale its a full time job. Or should we only remove certain misinformation? I see blatant misinformation everywhere on the fediverse already and only a tiny percentage is tankie related.
Seems like you need to find a new instance. There’s no point in complaining about an abusive partner, they’re never gonna change.
Nope, sounds like you need to go sign up for a tankie instance and leave the rest of us decent people alone instead of invading every space and expecting others to be okay with it.
I’m a tankie because I gave you a suggestion. Lmao what? Your instance admin is okay with both tankies and fascists, maybe you need to re-evaluate what your instance admin really believe in.
I don’t think a worldwide general-purpose instance should be removing content, users, or instances based on an opinion of the content. That’s censorship by definition.
Removing content based on an opinion is very different than removing users or instances that are manipulating Lemmy votes/accounts or expressing extreme targeted hate towards an individual.
im sure many in ur instance want us “fucks” around. where is the lie btw? if its so blatant you should be able to back up ur refutation w evidence
You don’t care about evidence tho
u can always filter instances using connect or sync as u please: there is no need to ask ur admin for defederation ( it is kinda extreme really )
Oh no, there is, because it’s their responsibility as admins and third party apps are not an excuse for then to shirk their responsibility toward their users.
Needing a third party app for that kind of basic functionality defeats the point of Lemmy anyway.
The point of Lemmy is federation. If it doesn’t solve your needs, then it’s your responsibility to make the decision if it’s a healthy ecosystem for yoy, and if you should keep using it or not.
well: guess u need to hold a vote and see who’s in
I want to hear all viewpoints. Don’t talk for me. You can block if you don’t want diversity, equity, and inclusion.
Please visit !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works for a taste of how hateful these Instances are.
Also remember that this kind of extremist content is endorsed by the Lemmy developers.
I don’t even go to this school, but here’s a picture of the Tiananmen massacre. Tank man was a badass
I have enough luck to have joint instances that don’t federate with fascists, being they red or not. However, when one of those instances decide to federate with them (not going to happen, but let’s pretend), I’ll protest like you’re doing. And if it doesn’t work, I’ll goto
Don’t get me wrong, I fully understand that a fascist is not the same thing as a communist. But they’re equally despicable.
Fascism is inherently anti-democratic, communism isn’t. I know communism is a shorthand for stalinism / maoism and other totalitarian ideologies that use socialist facade (similar to national socialism) but it’s worth to make an effort not to discredit the whole idea.
Yes, you’re right. Sometimes I think that communism is merely an economic system. But thinking about Stalin, Mao and Il-Sung, whose communist developments where economic, social, democratic and whatnot, it’s sometimes hard to discriminate the noise from the useful information too.
Besides, I can’t understand why communists / tankies are so prone to support dictators. Dictatorship is not exclusive to communism, even capitalism had and has some kind of dictatorships: Hungary, Belarus…
This is pretty toxic
Tankies claiming the Tianamen Square massacre didn’t happen are pretty toxic
You got mad having a debate in one thread and you want the admins to go win it for you by blocking an entire server of different people and communities.
I hate these instances too but don’t want to change the instance policies. Pretty soon instance blocking should become a thing and you’ll be able to block them outright.
You know? We are open to discussions and polite exchanges in Hexbear. If there is good faith (and no racism, hate, ableism, homophobia, etc) there are a lot of bridges to build and learn.
But you came to Hexbear to start shit. And now you are resurrecting a 2 days old post because you are angry about not receiving upvotes in our instance.
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sunaurus@lemm.ee 1 year ago
For the time being, I have no plans to change our federation policy. I realize this is not what you want to hear, and I’m sorry to disappoint you. It’s just not a goal for lemm.ee to curate external instances for now.
There are probably many of instances out there that have horrible content (content which would get users banned if they posted it on lemm.ee), but vetting instances and maintaining a defederation list is a big effort, and I believe this effort is much better spent elsewhere.
I’ve stated this in many other similar threads, but let me also reiterate here: the above should not be taken to mean that lemm.ee is some bastion of free speech. Users or communities breaking rules on lemm.ee are dealt with. Also, we do reserve the right to defederate any instance which starts causing problems for lemm.ee on a bigger scale (so in cases where banning individual users is not effective).
I realize this is a topic where it’s impossible to make everybody happy, because each person has their own view on what should be federated or defederated. At the end of the day, for anything that’s not illegal or directly hurting lemm.ee, I believe it’s best to leave these decisions up to users - you can make your own choices with which users and communities you block, and I’m certain that soon you’ll have the tools built in to Lemmy itself to make the same decision on an instance level as well. And if that doesn’t work for you, then there’s always the possibility of joining a different instance with a different approach to federation.
PizzaDeposit@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Based
pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 1 year ago
🤦 Wasted my time and effort on a garbage instance again.
boonhet@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Why don’t you just start your own? You can defederate any instance you want.
I’m on lemm.ee but I’ve personally blocked communities I’ve found to be toxic, some of them were on lemmygrad. I see very little tankie shit. Took me like 5 minutes.
TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Bye
kratoz29@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Please don’t go, lemmy.ee won’t survive without you!
Ilikecheese@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Thanks for this attitude. Let’s me know I’m on the right instance. I want to be able to choose who I block, and I don’t want someone else choosing that for me.
misk@lemm.ee 1 year ago
But defederating Threads was fine lol.
sunaurus@lemm.ee 1 year ago
The approach to federation with Facebook is documented here: lemm.ee/post/851217
Spzi@lemm.ee 1 year ago
For the record, I changed my opinion regarding hexbear. While I generally very much appreciate the open federation policy, I think users from that instance overwhelmingly deteriorate the culture in comment sections. Appreciable individual exceptions exist.