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• dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Already bought the lifetime license. It’s great, I don’t miss rolling my own bare metal arch servers.

  (Because I still do that too)

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  • mirisgaiss@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    the ‘point and shoot’ is why I ended up with it too. I’ve gotten very tired of spending hours upon hours to make computers work exactly like I want over the years, especially after realizing I’m only actually using 2 or 3 of the dozen+ containers I’ve installed. I can still tinker and break shit on pis and old laptops when I want.

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    • dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yep. My home assistant production deploy is on a separate rpi, same as my pihole, and I’ve promoted out a few other services out of unraid. As an almost 40 father of 2 with a full time gig, I don’t want to dick around with experiments that interrupt the rest of the family and I also don’t want to spend a year of “30 mins before bed” to figure out how to deploy a service I’m not even sure I want to use long term.

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  • jobbies@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Exactly. I like doing clever scripting and neat one off projects, I don’t like having to become a networking expert, a containerization expert, a hardware expert, and an integration expert so my wife can reliably watch law and order.

      I can roll a custom arch build no problem, but I can not set up custom vlan or nat rules or easily swap to a new file system with baked in snapshots or tell you anything about how my GPU compares to anything on the market or how to make it reliably perform hardware acceleration. I would be happy to learn those skills, but sometimes it’s all just too much.

      If I’m gonna do it, I want to do it. If I need to verbatim copy someone’s YouTube video where I use proxmox to use someone’s Ubuntu KDE VM to set up couch potato, I’d rather just use unraid and not pretend I’m a FOSSing haxor :).

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• CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I just use TrueNAS for my storage layer. I don’t love the idea of a proprietary OS running my storage system. It’s just a bunch of ZFS under the hood which a competent data recovery company should be able to handle, if I don’t have backups of my 3TB of clown porn. The proportion of FreeBSD that’s a mystery to me is slightly less than it was in 2015 when I built it but it’s still pretty high.

  My recommendation is to KISS with the fundamental layers and play higher in the stack with less critical workloads. Build a web server and a DNS server and reverse proxy and get a feel for how it works before mucking with optimizing the VM host.

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• _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I use Unraid. It’s great and a lot less hassle than back when I used just a regular distro for everything.

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  • Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Setup was easy, it just works, its stable, and if you want the regular updates, just get the lifetime model on sale. I bought it becaue I didn’t want to spend time screwing with setup and just wanted to get my data moved snd running.

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• GottaHaveFaith@fedia.io ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think most selfhosters already know/use Linux, so management issues are already known. About the ease of use, if you manage services with docker it's really easy to bring them up/down, and if you want some GUI there's portainer.

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• artiman@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  TrueNAS

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• MudMan@fedia.io ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I'm sidetracking a bit, but am I alone in thinking self hosting hobbyists are way too into "lightweight and not bloated" as a value?

  I mean, I get it if you have a whole data center worth of servers, but if it's a cobbled together home server it's probably fine, right? My current setup idles at 1.5% of its CPU and 25% of its RAM. If I turned everything off those values are close to zero and effectively trivial alongside any one of the apps I'm running in there. Surely any amount of convenience is worth the extra bloat, right?

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  • Illecors@lemmy.cafe ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Gentoo/Arch guy checking in. It’s more about having fewer codepaths to go wrong after some update. At least in my case.

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    • MudMan@fedia.io ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      After a OS update? I mean, I guess, but most things are going to be in containers anyway, right?

      The last update that messed me up on any counts was Python-related and that would have got me on any distro just as well.

      Once again, I get it at scale, where you have so much maintenance to manage and want to keep it to a minimum, but for home use it seems to me that being on an LTS/stable update channel would have a much bigger impact than being on a lightweight distro.

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  • jobbies@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • atzanteol@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      squeezing every last drop of resource form tired old hardware

      This is such a myth. 99% of the time your hardware is doing there doing nothing. Even when running “bloated” services.

      Nextcloud, for example, uses practically zero cpu and a few tens on mb when sitting around yet people avoid it for “bloat”.

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    • MudMan@fedia.io ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I suppose it makes more sense the less you want to do and the older your hardware is. Even when repurposing old laptops and stuff like that I find the smallest apps I'd want to run were orders of magnitude more costly than any OS overhead. This was even true that one time I got lazy and started running stuff on an older Windows machine without reinstalling the OS, so I'm guessing anything Linux-side would be fine.

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• roofuskit@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I already did, no regrets. The way it handles storage is the killer feature for me. Being able to upgrade my drives or add one with very little effort is worth every penny.

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  • Unforeseen@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • jobbies@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • roofuskit@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I thought you could still buy the highest tier and get no subscription, just that they raised the price?

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• hddsx@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Debian?

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  • PlexSheep@infosec.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It just works, I love Debian. Never even thought about getting unraid

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  • Overspark@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah I wouldn’t call Arch a server OS. I run Arch on my laptop, but Debian on my docker/file/self-hosting server. Best tool for the job etc. Never even been tempted by Unraid, the whole point of running Linux is that I control what goes where.

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    • refreeze@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Arch on the desktop, Debian on the server is the way to go. Both solid, community (non-corporate) distros that fit each use case.

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    • hddsx@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m not sure what the benefits of unraid are but for better or worse, I’ve been running Linux servers since 2007 or so, so……

      I also used arch now and full time for a few years in the 2010s. I like it, but they put in breaking changes occasionally that I don’t want to have to deal with for a server.

      I was on CentOS and switched to Debian because of IBM/RH

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• B0rax@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I actually bought unraid before it became a subscription. And I must say, i really like it.

  I am currently looking into Proxmox to build a small cluster to prevent critical services from becoming unavailable whenever I do stupid things… but… compared to unraid the learning curve and ease of use is much more brutal.

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• bluetardis@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Experimented with various approaches, looking to replace an older Pegasus set of 6 drives and a file server.

  Unraid just worked. Lots of support and tutorials to get started. Look up Spaceinvader on YouTube as a starter

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• anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’ve never tried Arch but my debian server with kvm/qemu/cockpit running mdraid1 and smb/nfs file sharing - works well enough and I enjoy the tinkering and setting it all up. I’m writing this from a virtual Fedora KDE workstation that I’ve setup vfio and pcie passthrough of my dgpu and a usb controller on (both connected to my monitor that acts as a usb hub).

  A friend runs a Proxmox VE Community Edition with physical disk passthrough to a virtual Nextcloud server and that seems to work well too.
  I guess my answer is no, I don’t look at UnRAID and think “fuck this shit I’m done”, I enjoy the tinkering that makes you frustrated.

  May I ask what kind of brick walls you’re hitting and what software you run on Arch that makes it so frustrating?

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  • jobbies@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What I like about running a hypervisor and true vms is that I can fool around with some vms in my server without risk of disrupting the others.
      I run most of my dockers in one VM, my game servers in another and the Jellyfin instance on a third. That allows me to fool around with my portainer instance or game servers without disrupting Jellyfin and so on.
      Part of it is that I’m more used to and comfortable in managing vms and their backup/recovery compared to LXCs and Dockers.
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• kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I don’t use unraid I use XCP-ng instead.

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  • jobbies@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • SaltySalamander@fedia.io ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Because it's a hypervisor, not a NAS.

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• chaotic_disorganizer@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Weeeell, since they switched to a semi-subscription model, I’d recommend looking into TrueNAS (inb4 they start locking down their stuff)

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  • jobbies@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • nagaram@startrek.website ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Are you using truenas as the entire homelab?

      I also love messing with stuff until it breaks and I learn something, but I’ve decided I just want my files to be accessible.

      So I actually have truenas virtualized with a passed through HBA so I can run proxmox to host all my breakable VMs while leaving truenas alone.

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• olivier@lemmy.fait.ch ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Why not something like NAS4Free or OpenMediaVault, then? You don’t have to chose between DIY and paid-for, there is a middle-ground

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• Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Not at all.

  OK, I got some missing bells and whistles in my current setup, which is just a poor man’s NAS made of ZFS and samba, plus a nextcloud for convenience.

  But I fell so much in love with ZFS that I would never replace it with unraid. For my next box I am looking forward to use TrueNAS instead.

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  • Unforeseen@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ahh… excuses ;-)

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  • jobbies@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • non_burglar@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What parts are “a bitch” to work with?

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    • Flamekebab@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I have given up on ZFS entirely because of how much of a pig it was.

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• Brunette6256@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I bout unraid years ago… Mostly because I was just married and just started my career and wanted a solution that was already baked. It’s been great. I think it’s helped me get to under stand docker more. I’d often want to run a docker that’s not in their app store (yet).

  The problem I kept running into is I wanted go check out and do everything which often broke things or something weird would happen… Lol. So I have two know. One that’s “production” and another for checking things out.

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