Autism was discovered 40 years before Tylenol was invented…
it's just science, i guess
Submitted 18 hours ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz
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S_H_K@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 hours ago
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
Copy and pasting from my other reply to this claim:
Please don’t continue to share this “fact.” I know it sounds like a really good gotcha, but it’s not. Tylenol is just a brand name producer of the drug acetominophen, known in most of the rest of the world as paracetomol. It’s been around since at least 1878, and possibly earlier (there are claims it was produced in 1852). Autism was first described by Leo Kanner in 1943. Obviously, anyone sane knows that it’s been around a lot longer than that, probably as long as humans have been humans, but the people you’re trying to reach with this claim are obviously going to assert that it first appeared around the same time that it was first identified, or, at the very least, that it’s appearance likely aligns with the invention of paracetomol.
S_H_K@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 minutes ago
Fair enough I edited my post.
squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Adding to that: “links to” doesn’t mean “is exclusively caused by”.
That gotcha would only work if that was the claim.
So the argument reads a little like “People died before the Ford Model T entered the market, so obviously deaths aren’t caused by cars running over pedestrians.”
bizarroland@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
This guy literally had part of his brain eaten by worms.
That should eternally preclude you from giving health advice.
VoterFrog@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Brain worms he got from eating roadkill.
KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 1 hour ago
Didn’t he just claim that in a divorce court to explain neurological issues?
running_ragged@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
“People shouldn’t take medical advice from me”
- Rfk Jr.
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
He’s a real life zombie eating brains of gullible people.
Wilco@lemmy.zip 4 hours ago
Tylenol was invented after autism was discovered. This is fucking stupid.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
Please don’t continue to share this “fact.” I know it sounds like a really good gotcha, but it’s not. Tylenol is just a brand name producer of the drug acetominophen, known in most of the rest of the world as paracetomol. It’s been around since at least 1878, and possibly earlier (there are claims it was produced in 1852). Autism was first described by Leo Kanner in 1943. Obviously, anyone sane knows that it’s been around a lot longer than that, probably as long as humans have been humans, but the people you’re trying to reach with this claim are obviously going to assert that it first appeared around the same time that it was first identified, or, at the very least, that it’s appearance likely aligns with the invention of paracetomol.
squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Adding to that what @Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works said: “links to” doesn’t mean “is exclusively caused by”.
That gotcha would only work if that was the claim.
So the argument reads a little like “People died before the Ford Model T entered the market, so obviously deaths aren’t caused by cars running over pedestrians.”
Qwel@sopuli.xyz 16 hours ago
Hey so, is this a normal thing in meta analyses ?
We identified 46 studies for inclusion in our analysis. Of these, 27 studies reported positive associations (significant links to NDDs), 9 showed null associations (no significant link), and 4 indicated negative associations (protective effects).
27+9+4 is 40 I think ? What happened to the 6 other papers ? I’m always confused by the whole “we ignored half of the studies and we won’t tell you why”, if they can also ignore some of the 46 studies they selected, what does the 46 number mean ?
snooggums@piefed.world 16 hours ago
They just ditched the studies they didn't like.
“Our findings show that higher-quality studies are more likely to show a link between prenatal acetaminophen exposure and increased risks of autism and ADHD,”
The study was funded by the agencies RFK Jr heads. He said this spring that he would have an answer in September, which coincidentally is the month after this study that he wanted came out.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 hours ago
we think the studies that confirm our bias are higher quality
What a fucking joke
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 hours ago
But that’s ok, he realized this when being high on heroine.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
I wish he would just legalize that, it would probably be the least unhealthy of his policy changes lol.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Sighance more like
redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 hours ago
Kenvue lawyers right now 🫡😂🤣🤑🥳
Hegar@fedia.io 18 hours ago
Raw milk is way tastier though. The clearest memory I have from visiting the UK at 9 y/o was the milk from the milk rounds being unreasonably delicious. Like so much better i wasn't sure it was milk.
It's obviously not the right choice to fulfill the nations milk needs, that's a public health disaster. But I wish it was available in limited, risk-minimized contexts like in most of Europe.
elgordino@fedia.io 17 hours ago
the milk from the milk rounds
This wasn’t raw milk. It was still pasteurised. Just not homogenised.
Homogenisation mixes the fat in the milk more effectively so you don’t get separation in the milk which increases its shelf life. Your memories of the tasty milk were probably the creamy part at the top of unshaken pasteurised but not homogenised milk.
Hegar@fedia.io 17 hours ago
Ah, could be. There's non-homogenized milk that we get sometimes here but it's nowhere as good as I remember that UK milk being. Maybe it's just distant childhood memories being incorrect.
9point6@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
That milk is still pasteurised, it’s not raw.
fossilesque@mander.xyz 18 hours ago
UK/EU dairy shreds my insides.
walden@wetshav.ing 17 hours ago
That's another side effect of acetaminophen.
/s
Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
I hate the guy as much as anybody but it is a real study.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 15 hours ago
Yes and there are also “real studies” that say smoking is healthy.
Just because there’s words formatted a certain way in a PDF doesn’t mean it has any merit.
Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
I added it in to my previous response but I figure I’ll just do it as a reply. The study was submitted in May so he very well may have seen it come up in his autism alerts. I’m sure he has some kind of autism study feed.
snooggums@piefed.world 16 hours ago
A real study funded by the agencies headed by RFK Jr finding vague correlation with taking pain medications worded consistently as 'may cause' and with caveats that women should consult their doctor.
This past spring RFK Jr said he would have an answer in September because he set up this study to conclude in August. This is absolute bullshit.
Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
Easy to state but do you have any proof of the connection? I’ve seen refutations of the study claiming the connection was merely the previously understood connection between the age of the mother and autism risk, but that’s just random internet comments.
What you’re claiming is something much more sinister than a mere mistake.
bigbrowncommie69@hexbear.net 16 hours ago
Inhaling bottles of paracetamol so I get better at maths. Wish me luck chat
f1error@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
People died already 10 000 years ago.
The Ford Model T was released in 1908.
Anyone trying to tell you that being run over by a car kills people is entirely full of crap.
There’s real arguments that can be used. No need to publish weak crap that’s easily refuted.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
Tylenol is a brand name for paracetomol (AKA acetominophen). It was first created in either 1878 or 1852 depending on which claims you believe about its discovery.
The claim that autism was differentiated from schizophrenia in 1911 is unsourced, and seems suspect given that Leo Kanner first described autism in 1943, but even if we accept it as true, it still puts the discovery of autism after the discovery of paracetomol.
RFK Jr is full of crap, and it doesn’t matter when autism was discovered, because it’s genetic and has probably been around as long as humans have, but trying to pull a gotcha like this is just going to make you look stupid.
ook@discuss.tchncs.de 12 hours ago
I mean, it probably doesn’t but that explanation, “autism existed way before tylenol soit cannot cause it” is quite weak.
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 hour ago
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