Is there any European nation that favors freedom of press?
I was planning on emigrating there, due to LGBTQIA+ rights, metros, and elevation. But this has soured my choice.
Belgium Targets Internet Archive's 'Open Library' in Sweeping Site Blocking Order
Submitted 3 weeks ago by General_Effort@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 3 weeks ago
General_Effort@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’d say that European nations have a different understanding of press freedom. Mind that the individual nations have different attitudes toward this.
In Germany, press means mainly newspapers. The publishers owning these papers are very keen on copyright enforcement. Copyright does conflict with freedom of information but, I think, most would not see a conflict with press freedom.
The EU is determined to regulate who is allowed to use data for what purpose and to create the legal tools to enforce that. That’s not limited to copyright. I’m very worried about that trend on many levels.
But I don’t think Yuri creators will face problems in most EU countries in the foreseeable future.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 3 weeks ago
But blocking Anna’s Archive, Libgen, OceanofPDF, Z-Library, and the Internet Archive’s Open Library. is such a terrible way to express that you hate press.
Science and academics should be freely pressed, without the authoritarianism of copyright. If my yuri koma was discuss prion synthesis, you shouldn’t deter me for referencing the journal.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
you can’t just emigrate to somewhere.
Curious about your elevation point, since we (with NL) are called the low countries.
Flat as a pancake except for some Ardennes, which are nice.
If it’s for climate stuff you should know this means we are on or just above sea level, and some even below.
We do get high a lot tho.AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 2 weeks ago
nihon jin?)
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Curious about your elevation point
Over 60+meters above sea level, expecting all the glaciers melt after 3.0°C
I’m aware how lengthy and unaccepting emigrations are throughout Europe. I know at minimum it takes 6months to 3 years to validate permanent residency.
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
In The Netherlands we still have a freedom of press: www.rijksoverheid.nl/…/persvrijheid-bewaken and we are also progressive on the LGBTQ+ front.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
LOL Try saying something about Palestine
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The way it’s portrayed online you’d think the Netherlands is the most civilized society ever formed by humankind. I know that nowhere is perfect, but it does seem like a really nice place to live. If only the language weren’t so silly.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 2 weeks ago
But it’s Netherlands.
They haven’t built mountains, and it will get resubmerged. It’s the deelevation/sinking that I haven’t emigrated foremost. Everything else, yes, I want to become a citizen for.
KumaSudosa@feddit.dk 2 weeks ago
I’d expect it to be cracked down entirely within the next 2-3 years. The EU has wet dreams of absolute control
YknsNMo000@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
Intellectual property is stupid, but I don’t know why you would blame belgium especially here. The whole world signed threaty regarding copyrights.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 2 weeks ago
Are you asking me why I don’t want Belgium bereft off international knowledge their physical libraries do not possess?
Melusine@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 3 weeks ago
In France, you have the choice between public press (depending a lot on the president in place thanks to his tax cut), you have capitalist propaganda, more or less obviously fascist, and that's it for the TV. On the web you have Blast, le Média, Frustration Magasine, or Humanity in paper if you want leftist media.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 3 weeks ago
I’m aware of French freedom to be lynched. I’m asking if there are freer nations I can write yuri in, that won’t persecute my sapphic heart🧡🤍💜.
richardwallass@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
What is the point with Internet archive & Belgium in your post?
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 2 weeks ago
Freedom of information in the internet. Belgium should not have made this law, or enforced it. It’s one thing to have a law in your nation for wild card situations, but this is about not allowing Belgians access to information outside their libraries that may contradict state narratives & agendas.
ICastFist@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Belgium can go fuck itself with all the waffles and chocolate it exploits from other countries.
YknsNMo000@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
Waffles did nothing wrong :(
Copyright is stupid everywhere
dubyakay@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Plus its pedos.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Weird
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Just checked, indeed blocked.
Another new warning page.
We had the Russian, Chinese, etc… censorhip page.
The dubious porn or drugs warning page.
And now this, the ‘forbidden’ page mentions illegal gambling sites for some reason.vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
To think about it … “major shadow libraries”. That’s something wrong now.
So - there was a liberal (bourgeois) revolution, there was a labor revolution, and now, I think, we must have another revolution. The word “libertarian” is unfortunately associated with ancap, despite being the same as “anarchist”, which is unfortunately associated with ancom. And the word “democratic” has lost any meaning it had.
So they’ll have to invent some new term.
But the time is nigh.
Gates9@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Post-ironic anti-centrist
PushButton@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
EU used to be cool I guess.
SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
FYI Belgian “site blocks” are still just simple DNS blocks at the ISP level.
You can easily get around it by using any of the well known public DNS resolvers.
Cheatsheet:
Google: 8.8.8.8 Cloudflare: 1.1.1.1 Quad9: 9.9.9.9
Hozerkiller@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
And if they make them change the results just in Belgium you can set up something simple like a pihole on a cheap VM with any random VPN and use the VM as your DNS server. Just make sure to host the VM somewhere that wont have the restrictions.
MITM0@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Don’t they have anything better to do ?
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
hey belgium your waffles suck
9point6@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Wow Belgium, I thought you were a bit cooler than that
General_Effort@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
People, including many Europeans, make a lot of assumptions about Europe.
Americans in particular seem to assume that issues fall along the same political Dem/Rep divide as in the US. That gives them bad ideas. European countries have more solid social safety nets, more accessible and cheaper health care and education, more developed and usable public transport systems, …
On other issues like immigration or racism, they are on a MAGA-level. There is no big controversy because it is widely taken for granted that European nations are ethno-states. This is less so in the former colonial powers Britain and France. But they have their own baggage that gnaws at them from within, just like the history of racial segregation undermines the USA.
Another area where Europe is just different from the US is freedom of information. It’s just not respected in the same way. Intellectual property, on the other hand, is held in much higher regard. That’s how it has been for a long time.
Now that the copyright industry is waging an all-out lobby battle against citizens, you can expect much more like this.
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
Yes. As someone who grew in Russia, if I’d talk freely and casually about politics in the way we do here, with Americans IRL nearby, I’d probably be literally lynched regardless of those being majority Democrat or majority Republican minded, and if those Americans were sufficiently inattentive, even by a mixed crowd. Things associated with freedom and dignity and just human treatment of each other here are associated with fascism there, and the other way around. And it’s very counterintuitive. And also honestly Americans and continental Europeans (but not Brits) generally feel more like peasants with pitchforks than like Russians, in every political-minded discussion. It really feels that they’d be perfectly fine with everyone disagreeing being relocated six feet under, and the purpose of the discussion is usually to let you atone and ask for mercy. Despite all the stereotypes about Russians, this is not the case here, you might get insults, but not that heavy unwillingness to accept your side’s existence.
Though that was 10 years ago, now in the Russian-language space there’s much wariness of propaganda and legal problems for speech and so on, so people speak less freely, while a loud minority of bootlickers likely outside Russia repeat some combination of American points, more similar to a Republican set, but at the same time certain they’d be loved by Democrats. It’s weird.
grue@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
What about Spain and Portugal?
AstaKask@lemmy.cafe 3 weeks ago
I don’t think anyone has ever thought Belgium was cool. Been to Brussels plenty of times and I think it might be the least cool city in all of Europe. Except for FOSDEM of course. That is pretty damn cool.
9point6@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Oh really? I always liked Brussels as a typically modern European city: a nice combo of old and new, friendly locals plus it’s nice and walkable and a decent variety of food options, though Bruges has them beat on walkability.
Plus they have a lot of great beer and the mitreillette, what’s not to like?
I’ve definitely been a few places I’d rank lower anyway
xiwi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Why?
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That does it, I’m not having waffles anymore
atticus88th@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Classic waffles are way better than those belgium giant ass ridges cant even hold the melted butter and high fructose corn syrup aunt jemima in one bite .
3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com 2 weeks ago
FREE THE WAFFLES!
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ll still eat as many Freedom Waffles as I please.
YknsNMo000@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
Waffles did nothing wrong :( no collateral victims pls.
This is because of one thing and one thing only: the right wingers.
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
That be the country where the king records a “happy psychopath”-style videos where he talks with his subjects over video calls on a smartphone. Everything clean, bright smiles, the subjects’ selection is properly racially diverse. And you can just feel how with everything so perfect something is wrong, like - why that session of short video calls of the monarch with random (but very proportionally selected and similarly clothed in style) people even happens? What is it intended to show, that the king has empathy for every person? Were I a citizen of Belgium, I’d prefer the king to not care and tend to his garden instead. This feels so glowing and fake that one can’t help thoughts like “what if the king actually eats children for breakfast”.
YknsNMo000@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
Also he killed someone while drunk driving in the ardennes.
YknsNMo000@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
The german king? He have nothing to do with us. We’re a monarchy because the brits wanted the germans to stop invading the french or something so she picked one of her cousin
undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You say this as if the problem isn’t American corporations and pooled special interests bribing, blackmail and rig elections in every country they can until they get what they want.
General_Effort@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
No.
The copyright lobby in the EU is homegrown. For example, the football league in Italy has achieved sweeping laws that can be used to block pirated live streams without much ado. Expect that to be rolled out across the EU.
It’s true that these EU corporations are in league with the US copyright lobby. After all, Europeans read American books, watch American movies, listen to American music. The books are usually badly translated and published by a European corporation, which gives Europeans a cut. European agencies, often government-sponsored monopolies, collect money and send much of it to the US. But a lot is doled out to European corporations. And the collecting agencies have a good thing going, as well.
4am@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I appreciate the “fuck America swinging their ducks around on other business” sentiment, but let’s not entertain conspiracy where there isn’t any. America doesn’t need to push its preferences in places where the sentiment already.
My post is that you you blame this on America you won’t think clearly about the actual issue, which is the sentiment of EU politicians and businesses and how they skew unduly in favor of harsh intellectual property restrictions.