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• autonomoususer@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Signal

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  • wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yeah, for chat I’ve tried a few systems but honestly I already had signal, they understand that signal chats aren’t texting, the privacy is important to me, and most of all… why rock the boat?

    It’s not self-hosted yeah yeah but not everything needs to be. Password management, todo lists, calendar and contacts, grocery lists… sure yeah. But nothing for chat really struck me. And I don’t want to teach everyone how it works just to test a ‘maybe’ alternative.

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    • a@91268476.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      @wreckedcarzz @autonomoususer @selfhosted fair

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• blob42@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I use a self hosted XMPP stack with ejabberd as server and conversations.im for mobile apps. I have audio and video calls and tons of features built-in into xmp. There is a huge selection of apps for all platforms.

  XMPP is a battle tested protocol that all major messaging apps use underneath.

  I used Matrix a few years ago for a full year. I dropped it and never came back. It is a bloated solution to a problem that was already soled with xmpp.

  For this example I programmed a bot that is shared with a private room that provides commands such as archiving websites with archiveit or yt videos with YouTubeArchiver

  I am planning however to migrate from Ejabberd to Prosody as I would like to easilly hack on the source code or extension and Ejabberd is Erlang with a very rigid stack.

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  • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I never really understood why people here push XMPP so hard. It is fragmented as a protocol and lacks mainstream apps and servers.

    I think something like Nextcloud Talk or Simplex Chat would be much better

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    • blob42@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Because it’s an open and decentralized protocol in the same vein as email. It is the most likely to survive in the longterm as it’s not tied to a single entity.

      Fragmentation is inevitable in a decentralized protocol. Look at email or http servers, there is no standard mainstream app but a standard extensible protocol, that’s how the internet was originally designed to grow. Now that corporations are pushing their own protocols, they have an incentive to lock users in their ecosystem.

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  • Serinus@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Doesn’t xmpp require a constant connection?

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    • hendrik@palaver.p3x.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I think they have push notifications in XMPP these days. At least Prosody has modules like mod_unified_push and mod_cloud_notify](https://modules.prosody.im/mod_cloud_notify) and that seems to be supported for example by Conversations.im

      To be honest, I didn't have lots of battery drain, back when I used XMPP. And other old-school protocols like e-mail and sip voip don't seem to be very bad either with whatever mechanisms they use. Or my phone isn't reporting battery drain correctly.... And with Matrix I also had to set up push notifications manually, or it'd just receive messages with a long delay per default.

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    • blob42@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Not at all, message archive management is one of the core XMPP extensions that almost any XMPP app supports.

      Let me tell you an other huge advantage of XMPP for those who care about privacy: it’s called Omemo

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• Pastime0293@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Matrix is a well-known self-hosted messenger. I use it for years now.

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• kossa@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Family is happy with Matrix and Element as Clients. Have members with iOS and Android, smooth experience for all users. But, to be fair, I do have easy users: they basically just send texts, emojis and an occasional picture.

  I did not like the admin side of things too much so far, but I recently migrated to a Docker setup, which seems easier to maintain.

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• ikidd@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Matrix. I could do without the DIscord-like space/rooms bullshit, but I’ve learned to ignore it. At least we’re not on Skype anymore. Adding users is a commandline thing, but that happens seldom enough that it’s not a big deal, though that means I have to find the documentation every time. I’ve worked in some of the bridges for people that aren’t on Matrix directly and that seems to do the job.

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  • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    You could just create a Ansible playbook to do it

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• observantTrapezium@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Matrix, with the Element app on phones.

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• Andres4NY@social.ridetrans.it ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  @a @selfhosted @selfhostedchat Prosody (xmpp). The kids use Dino on their linux laptops, and Conversations on their android phones. The biggest problem we have is that the kids want to invite non-family members into the family chat, and I'm just not set up for that.

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  • a@91268476.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    @Andres4NY @selfhosted @selfhostedchat any ios client recommendation?

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    • Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Snikket seems to be the “best” XMPP client for iOS. It’s worked well for me, and I found from a recommendation by my XMPP host.

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    • Andres4NY@social.ridetrans.it ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      @a @selfhosted @selfhostedchat Unfortunately no, as we don't have any apple devices in the house.

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• SidewaysHighways@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  i spun up a snikket instance, with a domain and caddy, all that jazz.

  the chat is really just about perfect.

  we use the conversations xmpp app, and the only issue is that our phones don’t really see that app as a respectable calling app. the phones let other sounds play over the call, like GPS voices, or if a regular call comes in while we’re on a call, it hijacks the audio system until we decline or answer.

  Otherwise it’s been pretty sweet!

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• possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Nextcloud chat, Matrix or Simplex Chat

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• breakingcups@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  What are their complaints about Mattermost? That might help.

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  • a@91268476.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    @breakingcups @selfhosted honestly? That is not WhatsApp so I’m trying to find some way to appeal to them

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    • F04118F@feddit.nl ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      If selfhosting the family chat is not a goal in itself and it’s about privacy or being independent from big tech, just take the loss and go to Signal. Much smoother experience than any self-hosted messenger can provide for now.

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• 3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Tried and cannot prise them from facebook messenger…

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• duncan_bayne@mastodon.bsd.cafe ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  @a @selfhosted @selfhostedchat Mattermost seems to be gradually enshittifying but it's (IMO) the best so far.

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