Apple already shipped attestation on the web, and we barely noticed

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• AndrewZabar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I use Firefox. If I’m on the web and a site does not work with Firefox, I leave that site.

  Do they think somehow people like me will change our minds? And more to the point, do they think website authors will want to limit their own audience for the benefit of some company?

  Unless I’m misunderstanding this, maybe I need an ELI5

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  • Jajcus@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Will you change your bank when it refuses to work with Firefox? What if most other banks do the same?

    This is how things are in Android now – online banking, online games and even subscription media services are mostly unavailable to those who would like to use non-official OS.

    website authors will want to limit their own audience for the benefit of some company?

    Many websites already refuse to work with anything not-chrome-based – so website authors often don't care.

    Banks see that as 'security', so they are ok with 'losing' a small percentage of customers who want 'insecure' devices. In fact they would hardly lose anything, as their customers usually depend more on the bank, than the bank on any particular customer.

    For media providers, that is another 'anti-piracy' measure (DRM) – they will also happily sacrifice Linux users, as insignificant fraction of users, probably less then 'actual pirates' on Windows or Mac. Netflix already won't stream in high quality to Firefox on Linux.

    For online game providers this will be easy anti-cheat measure – they will also not care about that insignificant fraction of user.

    Each of those service providers would loose maybe 5% of their user base (probably less… as most users would eventually accommodate), but the affected users would use major number of services they care about.

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    • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I see many people on Lenny say “blah blah doesn’t work on Firefox” and have yet to see an example. I’ve been using Firefox since the early or mid 2000s (started when they added extensions) and I SCARCELY have had issues. Only one I can remember, a credit card web site like 11 years ago.

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  • dantheclamman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    People like you and me are unfortunately a small minority. Most people go along with it, so they just set about steamrolling over us through coercion or just not doing business with us

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  • kiddblur@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    do they think somehow people like me will change our minds?

    Yeah. I use Firefox too, and when a site doesn’t work, I open it in chromium

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• CaptainAniki@lemmy.flight-crew.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • housepanther@lemmy.goblackcat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    As an aspiring web developer, I shall refuse to use it once I learn.

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    • CaptainAniki@lemmy.flight-crew.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I just wrote a funny script and corresponding web page:

    "use strict";
    
    (() => {
      if (navigator.getEnvironmentIntegrity !== undefined) {
        window.location.href = "https://dblsaiko.net/no-wei";
      }
    })()
    

    If this API actually becomes a thing, I might put it on all my pages.

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    • tonarinokanasan@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      While this obviously would never help in any meaningful way, I do absolutely love it

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• housepanther@lemmy.goblackcat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The fact that this was done relatively in secrecy really bothers me. I mean it really tweaks my tail.

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  • IHeartBadCode@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It wasn't super secret, it's just that the HTTP protocol standard is getting quite large. HTTP standard site.

    Same with HTML, the standard for HTML 5 is just so massive no one person can know all of it. It is completely unknowable to a single person at this point (without referring back to the standard).

    The protocols and standards underpinning the Web have become over engineered in my opinion. I'm sure it was with "best intention" but I recommend gemini protocol at this point for "fun" and http for "business". Corporations owns HTTP at this point and there's little that can be done to change it. It has become the modern Adobe flash with the veneer of openness to satiate the causal observer.

    But that's my two cents.

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    • housepanther@lemmy.goblackcat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I consider myself a rather avid technology reader and try to stay up on the trends and this one completely escaped me, I am sorry to say.

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• LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Is there a way to address the problems outlined by the proponents of these technologies without placing too much power in anti-democratic and anti-user organizations like Apple and Google?

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  • Jajcus@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    But the problem they try to solve is: user's device is not under full control of the service provider. The only solution to that problem is to take away the control from the device owner. You cannot have both.

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  • Overspark@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Which problems? As far as I can tell this solves zero problems for users of websites. Wanting to replace captchas with this is just another arms race that normal users will suffer from.

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    • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Well, captchas seem likely to become useless in the near future, and are currently a key feature used to prevent unwanted bot activity on many of not most websites. What can replace it?

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