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• Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  transracial

  IMHO it needs some strong racist thinking to even be able to use such a word…

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  • MaoriPrincess@lemmy.cafe ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    By your logic, would it not be sexist or genderist to use the word transgender? I think transgender identities as just as valid as transracial identities. Both are valid and I’ll stand up for people’s transracial identities.

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    • Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Well, the sexes exist.

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• Taco2112@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  While there is likely an interesting philosophical and psychological debate to be had over the topic of being transracial. The problem with the debate is that most people who propose it are doing so in bad faith, as a gotcha, and that doesn’t lead to any meaningful discussion. I think that’s why it gets dismissed so quickly. I’m not sure if you’re one of those people.

  The way I start to think about it is, we often conflate racial identity with cultural identity so separating those might be a starting point. Racially, my family is Northern European white (Scottish and German with a smattering of French and Scandinavian) but culturally, my family is poor European immigrants who moved to America and settled in Appalachia 250+ years ago where they lived as farmers until my grandparents generation.

  I’m not really sure where this thought experiment goes next and how that ties to gender, someone much smarter than me might be able to make sense of my ramblings. Either way, I don’t want to just dismiss what you have to say but I still can’t be sure you are not a bad actor looking for a gotcha.

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• BigMikeInAustin@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I don’t know of anyone “transracial,” much less know of people who are against the “transracial.”

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• PP_BOY_@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Counterpoint: what’s at stake in the “transracial validity” debate? It’s important that society addresses transgender injustices because there’s a long history of violence against transfolk. I’ll admit that I’m not super familiar, but I dont see that in the history of transracialism.

  Transracial person: “im black”

  Bigot: “no youre not”

  end scene.

  Transgender person: “I’m a girl”

  Bigot: “no youre not”

  Cue decades of abuse, oppression, and violence.

  It’s just not a big enough concern for most people so their default opinion is the one for the status quo, IMO.

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  • MaoriPrincess@lemmy.cafe ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    So because you perceive transracial people to have not been as persecuted or as oppressed as transgender people, that means it’s okay to devalue and invalidate their identities?

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    • PP_BOY_@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      No, but it means that the transracial community has some social advocating to do before most people will care one way or another. It wasn’t that long ago that the funniest thing a movie could do was put a man in a dress, y’know.

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• TheFogan@programming.dev ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I would say there’s room for discussion, but one of the biggest things I’d note the largest one is, generally race itself isn’t a concept that fits. Biologically the difference between white and black people is smaller than the difference between white and other white people.

  Now I would note the biggest things of all forms is, just taking out the unnecessary divisions in general. Good news is for the most part the problems that “identifying as a different race”, are inherently knocked out with general societal progress. IE if you are a white person that identifies as black, you don’t need to worry about getting into the black schools, or use the black bathrooms, because we already knocked out that problem.

  Honestly that would be a nice step for society if we could hit that point in gender. Bathrooms and locker rooms are already just a general problem when we note genders and orientations aren’t the same. IE why do we segregate bathrooms? Because we are worried that someone might see genitals of an opposite gender? Why isn’t that equally as much an issue, or not real issue when we account for the existence of homosexuals? IMO the real solution is simply either the world needs to get less prudish and sensitive to the existance of non sexual nudity. Or just set things up to not mandate shared nudity. (IE allow actual privacy for showers and bathrooms.

  Now one thing I do agree with on is, the concept of “cultural appropriation” etc… IE I do think anyone of any race shouldn’t face criticism for wearing clothing etc… of other cultures, provided they are doing so respectfully (IE not combining doing so and intentionally making a characature of stereotypes of the culture they are imitating.

  My girlfriend wouldn’t even comprehend the concept of “identifying as black”, but 80% of her friends are black. She enjoys going to a nail salon that is almost all black women working, and loves talking to them. So I suppose the big thing I’m lacking is an understanding of where someone who identifies as trans-racial, actually see’s as their roadblocks. Because generally speaking, there’s not a logical reason to “identify” as a race. For the mot part just general racial equality groups have done well at removing restrictions on places you can and can’t go based on race. There’s no racial pronouns so there’s not a conversational issue where you would be constantly undermining in normal conversation.

  So the big question is, what it that as a society a trans-racial person wants? What rights do they need to be accepted, because for the most part, just racial equality is already fighting for acceptance in a way that renders most of it moot.

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• BigMikeInAustin@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Like Steve Martin in “The Jerk?”

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  • VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I was born a poor black child…

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• phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I think the entire concept is just a need to feel special.

  If you like certain cultural aspects of a culture that isn’t yours, then just add them to your life. You like dreadlocks but you’re not black? Get dreadlocks, who cares! It’s just that having dreadlocks doesn’t make you black, just like practicing karate doesn’t make you Japanese.

  Just saying that you’re black and then talking about how opressed you are sounds like a family guy episode. Just don’t. You’re not black (or white or whatever race you want) and you’re only doing it to get attention

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  • MaoriPrincess@lemmy.cafe ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    How can your comments not also be aimed at transgender people if you change the wording slightly? I have seen people say that someone who was assigned male at birth cannot be a woman for similar reasons you state about how a person cannot be black if they were assigned white at birth.

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• schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Gender dysphoria is a real medical condition which I don’t think there’s an equivalent for many other things.

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  • MaoriPrincess@lemmy.cafe ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Not all transgender people have gender dysphoria, though. That doesn’t make them any less trans.

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• FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Bad trolling, and as a Kiwi, I find this extra-offensive given the name you have chosen

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  • MaoriPrincess@lemmy.cafe ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Then it’s a good thing I’m not a troll, now isn’t it?

    I’d like for you to explain why you think this question is trolling. Is it not Pride Month, where we should be loving and accepting to all trans identities?

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    • FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Ahhhh, it’s not Pride month in New Zealand, because New Zealand doesn’t have a Pride month

      There are Pride events, but no “month”

      This makes me doubt that you’re a Kiwi, making (as I said) your name particularly offensive

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• MaoriPrincess@lemmy.cafe ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  This post has been up for 38 minutes and the voting is at -10. Why? I formulated the question as best as I could. To the downvoters, if you are downvoting because the post is hard to read, then tell me what I can do to improve it.

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  • Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This post has been up for 38 minutes and the voting is at -10.

    Your account is up for less than a day and the voting… But somehow I am very sure that you aren’t going to understand.

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    • MaoriPrincess@lemmy.cafe ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Okay, and? You say that like new accounts don’t often make their first post after signing up and having that post get net upvotes despite the recentness of account creation.

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