Better music management

Submitted ⁨⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.fish⁩ to ⁨selfhosted@lemmy.world⁩

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I’ve started using beets to manage my music library, but it doesn’t work well with jellyfin. As you can see, it creates about a million artists off of features, and this makes it hard to use. I can’t find a way to fix this in beets, so I’m considering switching, but haven’t found any proper alternatives. Do you guys solve this in any way, or use a different management software that is more standard? Thank you!

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MajesticElevator@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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- potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.fish ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Not mine, my servers 🤣. I hope it doesn’t get hacked
  
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  It’s a joke, I know it’s a joke, I’ll give you your upvote.
  
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- DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  For those wondering why this is downvoted 192.168.X.X are local ips. Meaning on local connections use that IP, and is not available to the wider world to use.
  
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  - SomethingBurger@jlai.lu ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It was most likely a joke.
    
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Jack_Burton@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
First, I made ‘Album Artists’ my landing page. 'Artists" includes everyone tagged in the metadata, ‘Album Artists’ only contains the primary artists. For me, the difference is 350 album artists vs 1412 artists.

I run everything through Picard when I add something to the server. Sometimes I have to change the metadata (for example I hate having an entry for ‘&’ like Elton John & Hans Zimmer and I’ll change it so the album is included in both Elton John and Hans Zimmer but theres no entry for them together). But generally it’s pretty simple and smooth.

Looks like this: Image

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Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Tag them beforehand with Lidarr. Works very well for me.

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kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
For music. I use navidrome. It works a load better then jellyfin for this IMO. You can use the same file location for both jellyfin and navidrome if needed.

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exu@feditown.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Use one artist for album artist. For the artist field, look up how to properly split entries. This is different for IDv3 vs Vorbis. Split the artists and Jellyfin will handle it fine.

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DarkSirrush@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I gave up on automating it, I download with slskd, and run musicbrainz Picard (import slskd download folder, and set it to always save to the jellyfin music folder/rename with my preferred sorting method). This has the bonus of downloading the cover art, and rarely has issues.

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- roofuskit@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  You can automate soulseeked with a script that connects slskd to lidarr.
  
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sentriz@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
hello, maybe try wrtag which was written to be a faster version of beets. it handles album artists out of the box (multi valued tags instead of one string with ft. delimiters). it can be configured with the path format syntax to be similar to your current beets config

github.com/sentriz/wrtag

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dabe@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I use picard, which works great, but is by no means automatic. Keep an eye on github.com/sentriz/wrtag, I think it’ll be really clean and highly functional in the near future.

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shadejinx@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Musicbrainz Picard --> mp3Tag --> MusicBee

Picard handles the initial tagging.

mp3Tag handles the clean-up. I like things “just so”, and some of the time Picard goes rogue. The Actions function is super powerful for automating “fixing” tags. Oh, and you can cut, filter and paste an entire directory’s worth of song tags if you want to bulk remove a bunch of unwanted tags that Picard adds.

MusicBee is the database. I like the Inbox feature that allows me to do a last check before “promoting” the files to my master library.

There are portable versions of all three, so you can lock a version in your music directory and never worry about updates ruining your tags.
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- MSids@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I have the same setup with Picard --> mp3tag, it works very well for me. I prefer to overwrite the artist field with the album artist field for cleaner sync to my iPods with MediaMonkey (iPods handled multiple artists in the worst way imaginable).
  
  Picard did take some light up front tweaking to get the directory naming to albumartist\yyyy - albumname\01 songtitle.flac but it was worth it
  
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BertramDitore@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I come back to this problem every year or so because I’m never satisfied with my music metadata. Years ago I had my musicbrainz picard settings dialed in really nicely, where I could drag folder over and it would spit out the right thing like 7 out of 10 times. It still required a lot of doubled checking and manual oversight though, so I was never satisfied.

I tried mediamonkey for a while, because it has decent metadata support and plugs into most of the expected APIs. But when all is said and done, all these tools use the same data sources, and none of them are exactly consistent with each other so matches aren’t as straightforward as they should be.

Lidar never quite did it for me, so I haven’t looked at my install in a couple years. But based on @skoberlink@lemmy.world’s recommendation I’ll try a fresh install and see if get I better results this time. I’m always happy in the arr interfaces.

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dgdft@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
This is a Jellyfin problem; not a beets problem. You can easily solve it with beets config if you’d like to, though.

The distinction between what you want vs. what you’re getting is that Jellyfin is grouping by the “Artist” tag instead of the “Artist Album” tag. I haven’t touched Jellyfin in years, but look for a builtin setting or alternative view to group by album artist - you’ll almost certainly find it.

If you want to solve it in beets, you can do that through a custom script, the FtInTitle plugin, or a combo of the inline + advancedrewrite plugins. Remember to run a re-import on the Jellyfin side after making your tweaks to the beets pipeline to make your changes show up without duplication.

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nfreak@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I tried Jellyfin for music in addition to tv and movies, but ended up dropping that part. I set up Navidrome with beets - the adjustment is using album artist instead of just artist everywhere.

Full stack:

Navidrome server

beets for management

Feishin client (local on my desktop, though I do have it hosted too for the hell of it)

Symfonium (mobile app, abour $6 but absolutely worth it)

Lidarr

slskd

Soularr (integrates the two above - it’s a bit hacky but it works fairly well)
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- thatcasualgamingguy@lemmy.nerdcore.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Not sure if you already know this, but there is a plugin called “Tubifarry” for Lidarr, that directly integrates slskd as an indexer and download client in Lidarr. I’ve recently switched from Soularr to the plugin and it works really well. In combination with the “Search Sniper” Import List you can still get that random backfill behavior of Soularr.
  
  Here is some general information on lidarr Plugins. You have to use a special branch/image. There’s also a link to Tubifarry at the bottom of the page.
  
  wiki.servarr.com/lidarr/plugins
  
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  - nfreak@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I set this up since this reply and it’s phenomenal, what a difference compared to the old way. Thanks a ton for the rec
    
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  - No_Bark@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Wow I’ve been looking for a way to integrate soulseek into Lidarr that wasn’t a hacky mess for a while now. This is awesome, thanks for posting this.
    
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  - nfreak@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Oh shit I hadn’t heard of this one. Soularr feels kind of like a hack and is annoying to wrangle, so a direct integration would be huge.
    
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- sentriz@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  hello, maybe try wrtag which was written to be a faster version of beets. it handles album artists out of the box (multi valued tags instead of one string with ft. delimiters). it can be configured with the path format syntax to be similar to your current beets config
  
  github.com/sentriz/wrtag
  
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- HeyJoe@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I am also using Navidrome and Symfonium. It’s about as good as local library playback can get! Thanks for a new one to try Feishin, never heard of it before. I have tried setting up Lidarr, but I never got it to grab stuff and rename it to what i like, so I stopped. I’m sure I probably could, but I didn’t want to spend the time trying.
  
  My current setup is grab from Orpheus or redacted, run it through program generically called tagscanner (been using it for years and love it) then drop everything into musicbrainz Picard with custom setup to only grab genres for everything and will attach up to 5 different ones. From there, i move everything to the music library by artist and subfolder for albums. Once there, i load Musicbee, which is my pc app of choice because of the customization and audio playback quality. Once there, if any album art is missing, it’s easily discoverable and then loaded into navidrome.
  
  The hardest part was discovering that I should organize properly after a decade of collecting music, and it took months to reorganize and tag everything properly. I had to do that once more with genres. Once I figured out how to automate that and would take chunks at a time and have it do it over days, which also took months. It’s been about 10 years of me doing it this way and has worked great if not a bit tedious.
  
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- xyro@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  This is the way
  
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- TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I didnt know soulseek integration with lidarr was possible.
  
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cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I tag all my music through MusicBrainz Picard before adding to my server. I think most of the artists are good after that (i.e. if there is a featuring artist, it becomes a separate entry), but I typically use the album artist field to browse by artist.

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nfms@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Have you tried enabling the FtInTitle Plugin? beets.readthedocs.io/en/stable/…/ftintitle.html

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skoberlink@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I use Lidarr. I know its primary purpose is downloading but if you just never configure those parts, it can do all the renaming, folder organization, and metadata tagging. It uses MusicBrainz primarily, iirc. You can also configure scripts to run it through beets or other tools too.

There’s no perfect solution for this because music metadata is a lot more complicated than movies or tv. But Lidarr gets pretty close to set-and-forget.

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