Can Tesla's Self-Driving Software Handle Bus-Only Lanes? Not Reliably, No.

Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨KayLeadfoot@fedia.io⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://fuelarc.com/tech/can-teslas-self-driving-software-detect-bus-only-lanes-not-reliably-no/

It's not hard to find videos of self-driving Teslas wilding in bus lanes. Check the videos out, then consider:

"There was an interesting side-note in Tesla’s last earnings call, where they explained the main challenge of releasing Full-Self Driving (supervised!) in China was a quirk of Chinese roads: the bus-only lanes.

Well, jeez, we have bus-only lanes here in Chicago, too. Like many other American metropolises… including Austin TX, where Tesla plans to rollout unsupervised autonomous vehicles in a matter of weeks..."

It's one of those regional differences to driving that make a generalizable self-driving platform an exceedingly tough technical nut to crack... unless you're willing to just plain ignore the local rules.

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NotAGamer@lemmy.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
It can’t stop when running directly at a wall but you expect it to handle special lanes?

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- FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Rober got absolutely destroyed, and rightly so, for that BS video and “test”. He didn’t even use FSD - he just drove straight into the fake wall and then claimed FSD did it.
  
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  - A7thStone@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Is the taste of shoe leather getting any better?
    
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  - poopkins@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    He didn’t use FSD because he was on a track and FSD requires a destination. It was using Autopilot, according to his statement. Are you suggesting that Autopilot is inherently less safe than FSD? I’m confused about your position on this.
    
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  - xthexder@l.sw0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    FSD wouldn’t have done any better, it can’t even figure out shadows on the road properly as seen in this crash 3 days ago:
    
    fuelarc.com/…/tesla-full-self-driving-veers-off-r…
    
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  - anomnom@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    It switched autopilot off when the parking sensors (ultrasonic/radar range finder with a very narrow range) detected the wall.
    
    If Tesla isn’t doing that to hide deficiencies from NHTSA investigations, I’ll eat my shoe.
    
    Also FSD is an app running on the same hardware and camera systems as autopilot, what would make it better at “seeing” through mist or a reasonable facsimile of the road up ahead?
    
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throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
If tesla’s “AI” was used in airplane autopilots, there would be a crash every 12 hour and the entire fleet of tesla-AI aircraft would be defunct by the end of the year.

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- AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  You may not have much experience with autopilots, so no. There are different levels of autopilots in aviation, not just the full control with auto-land you may be thinking of. I used to fly a small prop plane with single axis autopilot. much less capable than Tesla full self-driving. However it was safe and useful because I understood its capabilities and limitations. I knew what to use it for and what not, so even an extremely simple analog autopilot successfully reduced pilot workload, improving safety
  
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  - masterofn001@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Ok. But they’re talking about Tesla fsd ai. It would have killed you.
    
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tinsuke@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

Can AI driven systems handle anything? Not reliably, no.

There, fixed it for ya.

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lemmylommy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
„Not reliably, no“ sums up Tesla pretty well.

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Goretantath@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Teslas ai is based off of its drivers in crowdsourced data, they are assholes who break the law. Yesla “self driving” will NEVER be safe.

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SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
It’s actually extremely straightforward to mark lanes as “bus-only” when you map out roads, but that’s assuming you’re not being micromanaged by a moronic egomaniac.

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- catloaf@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  It’s actually extremely straightforward to mark lanes as “bus-only” when you map out roads
  
  Yeah… until they change. And municipalities are not known for thoroughly documenting their changes, nor companies keeping their info up to date even if those changes are provided.
  
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  - Dojan@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    If the road is marked as bus only, surely it’s still bus only? That’s how it works here at least, road signs etc. are applicable until removed. Doesn’t matter if it’s still there because government forgot to remove something. You obey the signs because they keep the roads safe.
    
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  - Don_alForno@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Sooooo … You people don’t have signs? Because my car can read those.
    
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phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Tesla’s don’t have self driving software.

Stop calling things names that don’t reflect reality. A Tesla couldn’t get itself out of a parking lot, let alone drive itself across the US, despite all the lies that Elmo has been telling

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Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Rest of the worlds solution: remove Tesla

American solution : remove bus lanes

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Kurious84@eviltoast.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I wouldn’t set foot on anything associated with musk after he sold out the country to the Russians to enrich himself m. The man could not spend his money in. A million lifetimes and what does he do to us? Grabs more.

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Rentlar@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
First video was from somewhere around Toronto, Canada (my guess is Mississauga). Some places have very unclear signage of when bus lanes are active, when they’re not, disappearing in and out of existence sometimes, but that was a clear red lane that combined with lane data the Tesla’s camera based navigation system should have been equipped enough to handle it…

Sucks for the driver letting Tesla net him a fine and demerit points.

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- spankmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  Sucks for the driver letting Tesla net him a fine and demerit points.
  
  Nah, they are also responsible for not correcting the situation whan the defective self driving feature put them in a bus lane. Same as if they let their cruise control rear end another ca.
  
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- errer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I agree with you that often the signage/lane marking suck and it takes a bit to figure it out. But me as a human, I’ll remember the next time I travel that route. The Tesla continues to have zero prior knowledge every time.
  
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match@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
oh hello betterridge’s law of headlines

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