Why would an all loving god create hell?

Submitted ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨mujtablue@programming.dev⁩ to ⁨showerthoughts@lemmy.world⁩

Heaven, increases all feelings to their extreme quality. Hell, decreases all feelings to their minimum quality. So if someone dies feeling sorrow, rage, hate and goes to heaven their going to feel all those to their extreme, that is why god creating hell is actually an act of love because he wants us to feel sorrow, hate, rage as little as possible and feel love to its extreme.

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dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Might be worth reading this: plato.stanford.edu/entries/evil/

If it’s too technical, you might try Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil

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- Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Good cannot exist without evil, though. And objective morality cannot exist without a law giver. At best, this is a paradox.
  
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  - d00phy@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I’ve never understood the notion the good “can’t exist” without evil. I think it’s more likely that good can’t be recognized without evil as a basis for comparison. That doesn’t mean good things can’t happen unless there’s evil out there. I think they would just be seen from a different frame of reference.
    
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Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Your parents probably love you unconditionally, too, that doesn’t mean they didn’t punish you when you misbehaved growing up.

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- roofuskit@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  No parent would ever punish a child for an eternity.
  
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  - Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Some would if they could. But then, those are probably not good parents.
    
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- Solumbran@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  The idea of punishment is to prevent further misbehaviours, not to throw shit back at the kids. The goal is to teach the proper behaviour.
  
  But hell is supposed to be eternal, and as such there is no evolving from it, making it not a punishment but a torture.
  
  Now if you believe in torturing kids who misbehave just for the sake of making them suffer, that’s something else.
  
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  - Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    The threat of punishments stop people from doing things. God told Adam and Eve that if they ate that fruit, they will surely die. They did it anyway. Hell exists to discourage us from sinning, yet allowing us free will, still. But we still chose to sin. So we’re damned.
    
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- Tattorack@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Except the difference is that in this case your parents know literally everything and you are only capable of doing things according to their plan.
  
  So if you misbehaved, your parents already know you would, and also exactly how, long before you were even born, and it’d all be part of their plan.
  
  So… Why are you being punished again?
  
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- over_clox@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Thus far, I do not think I’ve seen the letter J anywhere in this post so far.
  
  The letter J was invented in the year 1524.
  
  Which means Jesus, Jews, Jerusalem, Justice, Justify, January, June, and July were all invented either in or after the year 1524.
  
  Until someone tells me how to research those terms before the invention of the letter, I choose to believe Jesus never existed and was made up in the year 1524.
  
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  - Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    We literally have manuscripts of the Bible that are dated over a millenia before that date. The Bible wasn’t written in English or Latin. The new testament was written in Koine Greek. Jesus’ name is Ἰησοῦς.
    
    Here is the Bible compared to the original text, your requested source of research.
    
    In fact, Jesus name doesn’t begin with J in most languages.
    
    In Arabic, it is Isa. In Chinese, it is Yesu. It was originally “Yeshua” (using latin characters to represent the greek and hebrew)
    
    Yeshua travelled east and became Yesu, then the Y was dropped in some places. Esu to Isa as the vowels warped.
    
    It gained an S on the end and traveled west, would have been pronounced Yesus, as J was pronounced equally to Y… until it wasn’t in English. Kinda like José in Spanish is pronounced like Yosé. So when it was written down, Jesus became pronounced Jesus.
    
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  - Sanctus@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Yehoshua.
    
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Today@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
You’re trying to put emotions into the afterlife and describe nature as a ‘he’. Unless you know of someone going to the other side and reporting back, it’s all just speculation.

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30p87@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Because, without an instrument to incite fear, religion would be useless for the upper class.

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WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Where are you getting this interpretation of heaven and hell from? I’ve never heard anything like it.

I’m a Thelemite, and in our tradition, duality is an illusion. Good and evil, suffering and pleasure, life and death—we see these things as two sides of the same coin, and reaching an enlightened perspective through meditation can show you that they have never been opposites at all, rather a continuum.

What you’ve described is basically a formula of “Heaven is LSD, Hell is heroin” and that doesn’t match up with anything I have experienced, read, or heard before. Without explaining your position more, I don’t really know how to discuss it.

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- dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  presumably the OP is Muslim?
  
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  - WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Muslim hell is about feelings?
    
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JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Here’s another one: if evil didn’t exist, we wouldn’t be able to appreciate good. Does that mean the devil is required for us to truly appreciate god? Shouldn’t we therefore be thankful to Satan?

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7uWqKj@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
It’s a well researched question, the solution is that an all loving god does not exist.

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toadjones79@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
For me he’ll is a place of our own making. Like, heaven is a state of being we grow into. Like dieting and exercise changes us for the better, commandments are there just to help us grow into a better being that is heavenly (more and more like God). Hell is the state of missing out on that eternal progression. Which means is is always an option available to us, and it doesn’t come from God but ourselves.

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JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
The answer is well rehearsed: god works in mysterious ways. If we understood how god thinks, we would be god, but alas, we are not.

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Mr_Fish@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I can’t say for sure what religion you’re talking about, so I don’t know much of the religious context for this definition of heaven and hell. My issue with this definition is emotions are so much more complex than “happy is good, sad is bad”. A lot of people who have dealt with depression (including myself) will tell you that it’s far worse to feel nothing at all. I’d much rather feel the sorrow or hate, and have help from God to work through those feelings.

I find the Christian (specifically protestant Arminian, and yes that is my religion) answer to this question much better. Basically, hell is the other option to heaven. Heaven is where God is fully present, so there must be somewhere else for those who reject God to go. That place must be fully apart from God, otherwise he would not be honoring their decision, and so he would not be all loving.

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Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
There’s no scriptural references I know of off the top of my head about increasing and decreasing feelings. But if you have some, please share.

Because God is all perfect, so God is all loving, but also perfectly Just. A loving God would set the reward to be to bring His children to him, but imperfect children cannot be in His presence, as God is also perfectly Just, so sin needs to be punished. Because sin transgresses God greatly, it cannot be erased by doing the right thing. We always have to do the right thing regardless. You cannot make a fine for running a red light go away because you stopped at the next three red lights. You need to pay with something above the road- driving. So the payment for our sin is above this world.

God is all loving, so 2000 years ago, he became incarnate as a man and lived as one of us. He ended up suffering, dying and He was buried. He lived a perfect life - the life we should have lived. Yet he died the death we deserved, and descended into Hell for three days. A perfect sacrifice was made. Now, all heaven requires is simply renouncing our allegiance to sin and turning it back to God.

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