A new generation of cheaper batteries is sweeping the EV industry

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• scytale@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  So the cars will become cheaper right? Right?

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  • cordlesslamp6891@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Who said it’s cheaper for YOU?

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  • GhiLA@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Actually, maybe.

    Nissan and Honda both have a long history of undercutting everyone else to sell compacts and both have been working on EV tech, Nissan a little more openly than Honda, although Honda does have a deal between Acura and GM in the states for battery tech.

    Honda cooks forever before they release new things, but Nissan will keep cooking new small EV compacts… forever. It’s just their thing.

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  • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I understand that was meant as sarcasm, but actually they have become cheaper, in the way that new cheap EV models are arriving with much better range than previous cheap models.

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  • jaemo@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Maybe, but this is why I already bought an EV in 2020. By the time the battery has degraded, I hope to be able to replace them with cheaper, higher capacity upgrades.

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• solrize@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  It’s just about LFP which are very common now. The new trend is sodium ion instead of lithium ion. CATL (battery manufacturer in China) is shipping those now, and they are starting to appear in some cars.

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  • avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    How’s the density compared to LFP?

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    • Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I believe it’s notable worse. The focus seems to be more on industrial use cases with stationary batteries.

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    • solrize@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I think somewhat worse, but try a web search. One attraction iirc is very fast charging.

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• avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  LFP is not new. It’s been in cars since Fisker integrated A123’s batteries. CATL and other manufacturers have been churning out LFP in volume for over a decade now.

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  • Acters@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    You do realize a decade is a very short time for something at a scale this large with complex interactions that needs to be reliable, efficient and reproducible at scale.

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    • avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Yes I do and LFP has been manufactured and integrated at scale for a very long time.

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• moseschrute@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  The savings arrived just in time to counteract the Trump Elon 100% EV tariff

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• etchinghillside@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Surely the savings will be passed to the consumers…

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  • Acters@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    No the customers(ie the manufacturers) will get the savings. Consumers get to pay the same amount while being harvested as much data as possible

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• schizoidman@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  lFP batteries are not new. The BYD E6 had them since 2009

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