This is America.
We don’t care about wages, health care, or education. We care about what consenting adults do in the bedroom, even though that doesn’t materially affect our lives in any way.
Out of curiosity if a woman is in control of her own body. If the SCOTUS did not reverse Roe than why can't a woman in control become a prostitue?
Submitted 2 months ago by Don_Dickle@lemmy.world to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
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FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 months ago
dogsnest@lemmy.world 2 months ago
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Because less government,
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 months ago
And don’t even get me STARTED on public bathrooms!
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Because prostitution is illegal. When Roe was still a thing, a woman with control over her own body couldn’t murder someone, rob a bank or drive drunk.
You’re distorting the definition of “control” to create an irrelevant comparison.
That’s like saying “If I smoke weed underground, am I higher or lower than the average person?” It’s just nonsense.
Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 2 months ago
Fucking is legal, selling is legal. Why isn’t selling fucking legal?
(in your country, it’s fine here in NZ)
swordgeek@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
In the US…
shooting a gun is legal. Going to the bank is legal. Shooting a gun in a bank is illegal.
AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Plus it never even went so far as to address body autonomy, it was just a ruling over abortion on a federal level.
eestileib@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
You think you’ve asked a gotcha, but I’m just gonna accept your premise. People of all gender should be able to perform sex work in a safe, regulated way if they want.
Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 2 months ago
it not as what you called it a gotcha it is legitimate
lady_maria@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Maybe it wasn’t an intentional attempt at a gotcha, but regardless, your question is predicated on a false equivalence.
AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Because Roe v Wade did not establish a woman’s domain over her body, it established legal status of abortion on a federal level. Very specific.
That being said, sex work is about so much more than just a person’s body autonomy. There have been many societal concerns over the decades. I’m all for it, but the legal issues are complicated.
BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place 2 months ago
The federal government didn’t make prostitution illegal, so technically, a woman can be a prostitute in the US. Each state except for Nevada made it illegal, which is why anyone can’t legally be a prostitute outside of the very specific places where it’s allowed in Nevada.
Additionally, Roe v. Wade wasn’t about bodily control. It was about a woman’s right to privacy v. society’s duty to protect life. The right to privacy argument was that government could not shove themselves in the affairs between a woman and medical staff. The duty to protect life argument was that society was ethically obligated to protect the life of vulnerable people. They found that life was more important than privacy, so it became a matter of when life began. The thing is that the beginning of a life isn’t so clear.
According to science, life begins at conception. That’s when the new DNA mix is created and a new being is created. Yet, that zygote cannot live on its own and is 100% dependent on the mother to exist, so is it really alive? That was the debate. The Supreme Court divided pregnancy into trimesters representing the incremental development of an individual human life.
Since a fetus was viable starting in the 3rd trimester, states could pass laws banning abortions then. Since a fetus had a heartbeat but was iffy on being viable in the 2nd trimester, states could regulate but not ban abortions in then. States couldn’t do anything about abortion in the first trimester. That was what Roe v. Wade was about, and why many people were upset with the ruling. It never really addressed the fundamental issues of body autonomy from the government on one side. When it came to protecting life, it didn’t really decide to do that either since they established periods in the life of the fetus during which it was legal to allow it to die. No one was happy with the decision because it was a negotiation that was hypocritical on both ends, which I guess is how you know it was a proper negotiation 😄
My personal opinion was that the judges were buying time to allow the legislative process to address the matter in a more democratic manner rather than allowing the court to decide. However, the topic was so politically costly that no one did anything to definitely address it, making the country depend on the ruling of 9 unelected officials.
ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Also I think you’d be hard pressed to find any credible biological scientist willing to define “life” let alone define when it “begins.” I’m sure there are scientists who will, but they’re probably not biologists, or they’re “scientists.”
Not all fertilizations create viable zygotes. Not all zygotes become viable blastocysts. Not all blastocysts successfully embed in the uterine wall. Not all embedded blastocysts develop into viable embryos. Not all embryos become viable fetuses.
So I’d take exception through all of that to say any of those are protectable “lives” in any meaningful sense.
Roe was a very imperfect solution to the problem of men wanting to control women’s bodies. The best decision would’ve been to say that any abortion a woman and her doctor agree on is legal.
A moral or ethical doctor’s willingness to perform an abortion is inversely proportional to the gestational age of the fetus. Medical boards are charged with only granting licenses to moral & ethical doctors.
mrcleanup@lemmy.world 2 months ago
While Roe v Wade may have been legally about privacy, abortion rights are also absolutely a body autonomy issue ideologically.
ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
I think RBG had it right that abortion should’ve been protected by equal protection instead of privacy.
swordgeek@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
So many incorrect assumptions in this single question.
First off, Roe v. Wade didn’t establish absolute autonomy over the body, only protected the right to legal abortion.
Secondly, how about men? One could argue that they’ve had all the bodily autonomy that they could hope for, but prostitution in the US is still illegal. Except that that’s not entirely true - because Nevada.
The government has the authority to govern and establish laws. If they decree that prostitution is illegal, than it’s not really a question of bodily autonomy as much as it is about business law.
You can’t legally sell heroin on the street. You can’t take someone else’s car. And you can’t sell your body for sex.
mycodesucks@lemmy.world 2 months ago
There is also a fundamental misunderstanding of Roe vs. Wade in this question.
Roe vs Wade did NOT establish a woman’s bodily autonomy. Roe vs. Wade established that women had a right to an abortion because their existing right to PRIVACY allowed them to consult and make medical decisions without government intervention.
Yes, that is an exceedingly weak and cowardly ruling, and followers of the court warned people for DECADES that it was a weak ruling, and it made it precarious since the beginning.
But that’s also your explanation for why it wouldn’t cover prostitution. Commerce is not covered by the right to privacy.
Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com 2 months ago
Why can’t a woman take illegal drugs? Control of your own body is a philosophical concept not a legal one.
Boozilla@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I think sex work should be legalized. However, the law and “traditional values” have a lot to say (mostly outdated ideas) about sexual activities. It’s the activities themselves, and the circumstances around those activities, which lawmakers have ruled illegal (or not) over the centuries.
Body autonomy doesn’t really enter into it, because you can do countless legal and illegal things with your body.
Body autonomy is more relevant in the case of pregnancies, because the mother’s life and health are directly at risk. Opinions vary on when life begins after fertilzation, but many would argue a cluster of cells is not a person yet, so the pregnant woman should be free to act in regards to her own body.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Because the Tribunal of Six does not care that their decisions are contradictory and hypocritical.
mke_geek@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Everyone is in control of their body but it’s not legal to commit suicide.
FilthyHands@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
What’re they gonna do, lock up my corpse?
wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Suicide is in fact legal in the majority of the world.
solidgrue@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Because “Commerce Clause.”
Incidentally, Citizen, we haven’t seen you down at the local Rally lately…
xmunk@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Because how we define bodily autonomy is really weird and comes with cultural baggage and other bullshit.
I personally believe that prostitution should be legal because it happens either way and it’s better for everyone involved if it happens with government oversight and in a safe setting… but, I don’t believe it’s a paradox to say that women should have control of their bodies while also outlawing prostitution - we outlaw plenty of actions without viewing it as infringing onerously on our liberties.
In this specific case I think the main disconnect you’re having is that when we talk about women’s bodily autonomy it’s essentially a euphemism for a very narrow part of reproductive freedoms that we’re concerned with - most people who are concerned about Roe being repealed aren’t super interested in, say, the right to strap yourself to a rocketship and achieve low earth orbit - even if that could be defined as some kind of autonomy involving your body.
unmagical@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Any consenting adult should be able to. Sex work is work and it’s far past time we stop stigmatizing and criminalizing that.