Brands have to publish contact details so that bugs and issues can be reported, and must be transparent about timings of security updates.
The non headline part of the law sounds great to me.
No more 12345: devices with weak passwords to be banned in UK
Submitted 6 months ago by alb_004@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/apr/29/devices-with-weak-passwords-to-be-banned-uk
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timlyo@kbin.earth 6 months ago
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yeah I read the headline and thought what, then read the article and it actually seems pretty reasonable.
RGB3x3@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Is it really on the device manufacturer that people don’t change the default password? That’s advice that’s been around so long and it’s the first thing they tell you in computer training.
Default passwords have their use cases for testing, ease of set-up, and for device recovery.
Bahnd@lemmy.world 6 months ago
12345? Thats amazing, I have the same combination on my luggage!
RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Ha, mine is 10 times more secure!
RandomVideos@programming.dev 6 months ago
123450?
thbb@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Usually, an impact study is made before such type of laws are made:
- if this law is enacted, how much will it cost to the manufacturers to update their factory settings?
- how many users will get stuck when losing the unique ID of the device, what are the recovery procedures, how costly is it to end users?
- how many users will be protected by the measure and what cost for society does it represent?
- how many users will set a dumb password anyhow and what is the cost for society?
I’d be curious to see the impact study, as many of those are actually botched.
magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 6 months ago
Most routers already have non-standard passwords by default. At least in EU. I’m not sure which devices besides routers and IoT peripherals are affected by this bill.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 6 months ago
All of them I’ve seen do use non-standard passwords for the web access portion, however it’s been a mixed bag for the admin controls on the router OS itself. It’s often just admin/admin.
Which is crazy. I could, if I were inclined, log into the router in someone’s house/business if they haven’t changed the admin password, but they have provided me with a password to access the web. Most people don’t bother changing the admin password.
metaStatic@kbin.social 6 months ago
a user set weak password is infinitly more strong than a known default.
admin
adminAmidFuror@fedia.io 6 months ago
That makes a strong password a million times infinite strong.
oo1@kbin.social 6 months ago
I wonder about raspberry pi - it's the image you download that has the known user and password.
It might mean that you can't sell one with a pre-imaged, pre-installed sdcard unless you customised the image.TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 6 months ago
It's very easy to remove that and ask for a password on first boot. It could literally be one line in a shell script. Put it in a text menu if you want to get fancy.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 months ago
stock vanilla Raspbian anyway.
Raspberry pi OS != Raspbian
Those are two completely separate and different OSes.
Peer@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
You can already use a tool in the rpi imager to set the default login for your image.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
I like the easy default passwords for when I’m setting stuff up. If the end user doesn’t change it, that’s on them. This is one of those laws that just inconveniences the 90% to protect the lazy/stupid 10%.
hangonasecond@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I feel like there’s a level of easy, that’s still secure. I used to be the kind of person who used the same password for everything. Now, I’ve changed that password on everything and I’m particular about using a password manager even for most local uses. But when I’m performing first time set up, I use a variation on that easy to type, burned into my brain old password. It’s not incredibly secure, but it’s not 4 digits or my birthday or anything of the like.
wewbull@feddit.uk 6 months ago
I hope when they say TVs, they don’t mean the parental controls pin.
In fact… What password is needed on a TV?
RobotToaster@mander.xyz 6 months ago
Is the flying squad going to kick down my door if I use 12345 as a password?
oo1@kbin.social 6 months ago
I use "4cab".
They'll never guess that.palordrolap@kbin.social 6 months ago
Only four of them?
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
I assumed each device would be programmed with the top 5,000 most common passwords which it would refuse.
And the device would nag the administrator to change the password away from the default as soon as possible, please.
stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
This should already be in place with a lot of products due to a California law effective in 2020.
alb_004@lemm.ee 6 months ago
How they know what password we use in our device ? Do they scan our device without iur permission ?
Zikeji@programming.dev 6 months ago
The law is for devices that come out of the box with a weak default. Like buying a wifi hotspot where the default is “admin123” would be bad. The default being random and printed on a label in the device is probably what this is aiming to usher in.
metaStatic@kbin.social 6 months ago
it's been a very long time since I've seen a default that wasn't random or a unique pass phrase
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Did you really just share an article without actually reading it?
it3agle@lemm.ee 6 months ago
It’s for manufacturer passwords, not ones set by users.
The legislation is to help regulate the manufacturers of IoT devices, not the users themselves.
hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Probably just default passwords
Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 6 months ago
From what I see on the article, it looks like it mostly applies to manufacturer set passwords - though it does look like the devices are now required to prompt the user if they set a weak password (though I can't remember the last time I wasn't prompted)
drkt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
That’s not what this law is about, but yes actually they do!
I’m not even in the UK and my domains get hit by UK authorities that claim to be scanning for vulnerabilities
SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 6 months ago
No, others do that for them: insecam.org
lowleveldata@programming.dev 6 months ago
Nah they scan your brain
alb_004@lemm.ee 6 months ago
🤔
autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] 6 months ago
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Tech that comes with weak passwords such as “admin” or “12345” will be banned in the UK under new laws dictating that all smart devices must meet minimum security standards.
It means manufacturers of phones, TVs and smart doorbells, among others, are now legally required to protect internet-connected devices against access by cybercriminals, with users prompted to change any common passwords.
Rocio Concha, a director of policy and advocacy at Which?, said: “The OPSS [Office for Product Safety and Standards] must provide industry with clear guidance and be prepared to take strong enforcement action against manufacturers if they flout the law, but we also expect smart device brands to do right by their customers from day one and ensure shoppers can easily find information on how long their devices will be supported and make informed purchases.”
The science and technology minister, Jonathan Berry, said: “As everyday life becomes increasingly dependent on connected devices, the threats generated by the internet multiply and become even greater.
“From today, consumers will have greater peace of mind that their smart devices are protected from cybercriminals, as we introduce world-first laws that will make sure their personal privacy, data and finances are safe.
The laws are taking effect as part of the product security and telecommunications infrastructure (PSTI) regime, which aims to strengthen the UK’s resilience against cybercrime.
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Bonehead@kbin.social 6 months ago
Don't worry, this law doesn't affect luggage.
cybersandwich@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I have 2fa for my luggage.
andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun 6 months ago
Something I have: my luggage
Something else I have: bolt cutters