The irony is that the tweet is the exact type of propaganda it’s claiming to call out. They just want to undermine faith in Western media because if you can’t trust them - and despite having some obvious failures they have proven to be the most consistently reliable sources - then they are free to feed you emotional manipulation to push their own agenda.
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Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
IDK, NYT has it’s issues but I don’t see anything wrong with their headline on this. They’re pretty explicit (possibly even skeptical given the other coverage of this…) that it’s that thats what israel is calling these strikes. What else should they have said?
Oh wait hang on, “Israel assures west that IDF are ‘working closely’ with amrrican appointed DEI council to ensure no demographic group of innocents is unfairly left out of genocidal campaign”. They probably could have gone with that. Fucking hell, the only thing that makes my blood boil more than this limpwristed journalistic coverage is the literal cauldron of blood the IDF keeps scooting out of frame every time biden facetimes them…
EatATaco@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
masterofn001@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Early in life I have noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper, but in Spain, for the first time, I saw newspaper reports which did not bear any relation to the facts, not even the relationship which is implied in an ordinary lie. I saw great battles reported where there had been no fighting, and complete silence where hundreds of men had been killed. I saw troops who had fought bravely denounced as cowards and traitors, and others who had never seen a shot fired hailed as heroes of imaginary victories; and I saw newspapers in London retailing these lies and eager intellectuals building emotional superstructures over events that never happened. I saw, in fact, history being written not in terms of what happened but of what ought to have happened according to various “party lines.
~ George Orwell (Not from a book, this is his actual experience after fighting alongside the Spanish against fasciscm.)
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This post clearly highlighting how unreliable Western media is, is actually propaganda. Do not believe your eyes it’s <their own agenda>!
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The word pre-emptive implies self-defense.
Israel is “preemptively attacking” the entire region.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
“Casting attacks as” implies they are reporting on what the IDF is claiming though, and doesn’t confer additional editorial meaning beyond that. Of those four it’s the only one with a semblance of journalistic integrity.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Far too many people only skim the headline and maybe the first paragraph of the article and then assume they need don’t need to know anything more.
To include the perspective of Israel in a headline purporting to be neutral is instilling a bias in the mind of such readers no matter how many quotation marks and “Israel says” they use and they KNOW IT for a fact.
When it comes to Israel, the NYT has about as much neutrality and journalistic integrity as they do wrt cops: almost none.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You’re blaming them for malice in what should be fairly attributed to the stupidity and laziness of the general population, though. If you seriously think they should be writing their headlines with the idea of summarizing the Lebanon/Israel situation in one sentence, you’re probably not their target audience. Including a reference to the statements made by israel in the headline of an article about what israel has said is not unreasonable, regardless of your personal opinion about how that might reflect their bias. It stands that the NYT, of all those headlines, the the only one that doesn’t openly bias themselves towards israel by directly quoting the IDF, and even casts reasonable skepticism on the statements made by the IDF. If you don’t understand that, it’s not really their fault.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
It’s true that it’s biased in favor of Israel, but I’d say a biased headline isn’t as bad as a misleading one which isn’t as bad as a lie.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
[deleted]Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m not sure if you’ve genuinely misunderstood me, or if you are commenting facetiously. Assuming good faith: Casting, is not a vague term, although you are correct that it does not imply they are quoting the IDF (who they are not quoting here). It’s meaning is quite explicit in this context. That people may not understand is more the fault of the dire state of literacy in this country than it is of the person who wrote this fairly reasonable headline.
Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
No. No it doesn’t. Preemption - in the military sense - could be used both offensively and defensively. If you are about to invade a country you could preemptively attack their parliament and barracks’ to make your invasion easier.
oberstoffensichtlich@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Hezbollah started firing missiles at Israel on October 7th and hasn’t stopped since. Of course Israel has a right to defend itself against these and attack their infrastructure.
Do you want Israel to just accept incoming rocket fire from Lebanon?
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
israel was bombing Lebanon and Gaza far before October 7 where history magically starts.
Furthermore israel assasinated a Hezbollah top leader in Beirut. That was an escalating attack. Lebanon is defending itself right now.
Spzi@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
You expect a military force to sit tight, not move, not shoot, while they know the enemy is about to attack?
Because, the enemy “is defending itself”?
I’d love to hear that rally speech with which you would motivate your soldiers to just eat incoming rockets without using the tools they have to prevent being attacked.
oberstoffensichtlich@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
The only reason ever for Israel to fight in Lebanon was, that it was attacked from its territory. Hezbollah has prepared for this war for over a decade. Destroying Israel is pretty much the only purpose of Hezbollah.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Who’s upvoting this homophobic racist?
Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Homophobia I get (sorry, did not know about ‘limpwristed’, was genuinely unintentional) but racist?
Antmz22@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Don’t you know? You are officially Hamas and wish genocide on all Jews because you don’t blindly support Israel.
Prepare to be placed in the bombing list of their lavender “AI targetting” machine.
Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
A homophonic racist fascist? Wow. How can somebody be that stoopid? You misused a phrase that you assumed meant weak - and let’s be honest - I can see how you could arrive at that conclusion. For all I know English could be your fourth language… then you had the absolute audacity to think there’s any complexity at all to a generations long war; and not a simple one-size-fits-all approach to geopolitical crises. You brought it on yourself, blud. Ignore the prOpAGanDa and BELIEVE EVERYTHING THAT INTERNET STRANGER HAS TOLD YOU. Ffs. Smh. /s
EatATaco@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Anything to avoid addressing their actual point. This is a perfect example of an ad hominem.
feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Straight people can have flimsy wrists.
SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
What year is it? Might need to sunset that term dude.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Oh for… thanks. I’ve been using that one to mean ‘weakly slapped’ for the better part of my life.
luciferofastora@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Another one for the list of “Wait, that’s a slur?” “Always has been”
Oily Josh, why are so many idioms based in bigotry?
feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Can you sunset the term sunset also please.