Comment on YSK most US states assign their electoral college votes by the state's popular vote

Today@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• atx_aquarian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  For me, it’s helpful to remember what the underlying reality is.

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  When those votes are counted, the resulting electoral votes align to those votes, which results in maps like what you showed. When strategists tune their messages to target demographics they can divide (e.g., rural vs. urban), they’re playing a game of inches, and that’s still the reality, even if it doesn’t feel like it.

  Keep voting, everyone!

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  • alilbee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Hey, that’s a neat image. I’ve seen other ways of visualizing the popular vote on a map but this one looks wonky as hell and I like it.

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    • atx_aquarian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Data can be beautiful. I just found a similar but maybe clearer example from 2016 with a nice write-up about it.

      Teaser from that article: Image

      I think the common term for these is “cartogram”.

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      • DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        The red looks like a disease

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  • tanisnikana@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    My brain instinctively rejects that image. Not cause it isn’t accurate; it’s showing what it’s supposed to.

    But really, that the shape of it is hostile and threatening and it looks vaguely biological and some creepy shit gets sent up and down my spine about it.

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• Reyali@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  That’s precisely what prompted this post: conversations with friends in Texas who said their presidential vote didn’t count because of gerrymandering.

  I agree districts are fucked, but that doesn’t affect the electoral college outcome. Texas is leaning more blue every year and getting everyone who feels like their vote doesn’t matter out and voting anyway is the first step to changing it. (One example source

  The state has 30 million people. Of those, 8M are in the Dallas area, 7.5M are in the Houston area, and about 5M between San Antonio and Austin. That means over 20 million of the state residents live in one of the 4 largest metro areas which are all majority blue.

  Yet only 11M voted in 2020. National average turnout in the 2020 election was 66% but Texas was less than 40%, and it’s because of the exact sentiment you called out.

  II’m from Texas (but don’t live there now) and I know how disheartening the voting season always felt. I want to fight the perception I’ve heard now from multiple people in Texas that their vote for president doesn’t mean anything, because it absolutely could if everyone gets out to vote.

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  • Today@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    That’s what hurts so much! The people on the street and the images on tv are so wildly different. In most cases - there’s a bar in Harper that’s probably best to just avoid.

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    • Today@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      We stopped by with plans to wear a mask in, grab some beers, and then sit outside to drink them. Approached, saw this, decided to skip it.

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• TexasDrunk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Yep. It creates voter apathy in statewide races. Texas is in the top 10 lowest in voter turnout. A lot of liberal folks don’t vote due to gerrymandering and due to shit like the state meddling in Harris county and the small number of voting locations in big blue areas.

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  • Reyali@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Exactly what I’m trying to help counter! In just 24 hours I heard two people I know from Texas mention that the presidential vote was affected by gerrymandering. I did my research to confirm that was wrong and have been trying to help fix that false belief since then.

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    • TexasDrunk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It depends on what they mean by affected. I say that lower voter turnout in Dem areas due to well crafted apathy counts as affected. Some people say that since everyone’s vote counts it’s not because they’re counting legal mechanisms as affected. Of course there are also some folks that just don’t understand and are wrong.

      I get what you’re saying and I agree with what you’re attempting here. It affects it because we let it depress us and keep us from voting (not me, I’m in a white suburb and it’s super easy for me to vote a couple of weeks early).

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      • Reyali@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Ah yeah, in both cases I’m referring to they were saying the gerrymandered districts meant their blue votes for president didn’t count. I agree that the apathy strongly affects the overall outcome!

        In one case, I tried to correct the perception by saying basically when I said here (popular vote determines the state’s allocation of electoral college votes), and I was “corrected” by my acquaintance that the president race is determined by electoral vote, not popular vote. 🤦🏻‍♀️

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• badhops@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Maps like that are generated to deceive one from the start… They want people to believe all the soil will vote red

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• lordnikon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  yeah it’s almost like land can’t vote just people

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• Carighan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I mean to be fair, Texas is a scary thought. It would make me stay home, too. 😜

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  • Today@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I live in a blue zone and most reds i interact with are fairly normalish. They’re lake people or church people or those guys that always have a joke or funny story.

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    • Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It’s not normal to hate.

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