Far right content is more common than on YouTube because of the guidelines, but in my experience the largest parts are crypto, privacy and similar, also a decent amount is gaming (at least that’s what I upload)
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PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Is this not a neo-Nazi/far right platform? I only ever see them linking antivax and evropa content on Odysee. That’s where I’ve heard of it.
RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
DreitonLullaby@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
I’ve noticed that the Linux and open-source community is pretty big there, too; with a lot of them being part of the privacy community. I’m a part of this community on Odysee.
RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
In my experience the Linux people are considerably more on peertube compared to its site, but this may just specific to the channels I watch
DreitonLullaby@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
I don’t use PeerTube much, but I plan to. This is probably why I didn’t know it was bigger with Linux users. Though it makes sense since I tend to see PeerTube mentioned and linked to far more often on the internet than Odysee.
fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Its a mix of both in my exp. A deciding factor I think is money source for the creator. If it subscription (librepay, opencollective, patreon, etc) peertube is fine for them. If the primarily get paid more directly odessy is more enticing (because of its built in payment system).
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Pretty much, unfortunately. And the people who run Odysee have repeatedly, time and time again, defended Nazis, white supremacists, far-right conspiracies, videos calling for genocide, etc.
Although in fairness to my knowledge they haven’t done what Musk has done for example and said “free speech! [Unless you disagree with dear leader, then it’s an account ban]”
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Ya that’s exactly what I would like to NOT support.
Imperor@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I mirror my stuff from youtube over there and I do not fall into these categories. To be fair, I have the tiniest of audiences anyway, so… doesn’t really matter either way.
Haven’t checked in on Odyssee for a while though. Not sure if the auto mirror thing still works.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I mirror my stuff from youtube over there and I do not fall into these categories
Same.
And I’ve noticed that there seems to be a very small user base there.
My videos and most in my niche only get 10s of views on Odysee.
When I go browsing around outside of my niche, I tend to find quite a bit of right wing conspiracy stuff. Not really who I want to be associated with, but it’s not nearly as bad as some of the other (now failed) "free speech " video platforms that came before it.
DreitonLullaby@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
I found your channel, and yeah, your latest YouTube uploads are still being synced to Odysee.
Imperor@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Thanks for checking :D that is pretty cool.
DreitonLullaby@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Cool. What’s your channel? I have a gaming channel for no-commentary playthrough’s. It’s not synced from YouTube, though.
victorz@lemmy.world 1 month ago
no-commentary play-throughs
🤤👌 The best content.
Imperor@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Honestly, I might just have to think about getting into that type if thing. I am not one for editing anyway.
DreitonLullaby@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
You sometimes see that stuff on Odysee because they don’t censor it, unless it promotes violence or hatred to individuals. They do have community guidelines after all, since they can’t legally host… illegal content. In that sense there is censorship because they can’t not censor things to some extent; but the free speech and large lack of censorship is their goal regardless. As an Odysee user for over 2 years, this is the minority of content on the platform. Where you do see that content that breaks the rules… that’s what the report button is for.
snooggums@midwest.social 1 month ago
You sometimes see that stuff on Odysee because they don’t censor it, unless it promotes violence or hatred to individuals.
All neo-nazi /far right content promotes violence and hatred to individuals, since groups are made up of individuals.
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
My understanding was that Odysee served the purpose to upload videos that could no longer be uploaded on YouTube due to YouTube’s community guidelines. The time I checked out that website the front page was full of manosphere types and the Evropa documentary and anti vax crap
DreitonLullaby@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
That was never the purpose of the platform, otherwise it would have been marketed that way. The platform allows more content than YouTube does, so it’s not far-fetched to assume that people would use the platform for that, and tell others they should use the platform because of that. What random people on the internet promoted the platform being good for is not the same thing as the platform owners themselves creating the platform for that very purpose. If you really care about the “purpose” of the platform, just watch some of LBRY’s oldest videos on the platform from before the Odysee frontend even existed yet for LBRY; where they were first revealing their visions for the platform and the progress they had made.
Also note that plenty of people upload stuff to Odysee for their preservation efforts. Just because some documentary that talks about medical misinformation or promotes a conspiracy theory (for example), exists on the platform; it doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s there to promote the idea; it’s simply there so that people who want to see the video can see it. I’ll watch content that was censored from YouTube and other big-tech social media platforms because I just want to see what was said.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
That was never the purpose of the platform, otherwise it would have been marketed that way.
This implies that marketing is always or usually honest. I would argue that the exact reverse is true. In fact I was involved once in a series of marketing meetings where a marketing guru who had worked with some huge companies said flat out that “marketing is a lie” and he meant it literally. He explained that you’re selling an idea, and thus it wouldn’t be possible for it to be actually honest. Since you cannot buy a product that will solve all your problems, and yet that idea is implied in most ads. Happy smiling people somehow result from anything you can buy? Pfft.
Obviously that’s not going to be how you market a video platform exactly, but also they were never going with a tagline like “Because YouTube doesn’t allow bigotry!” whether it’s true or not. Facebook doesn’t market their service as a way to monetize your personal data despite the fact that it’s exactly what it is. Marketing is inherently misleading at best.
The platform allows more content than YouTube does
That’s just a different way of phrasing what was said and you seem to be disputing…
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yikes. So if there weren’t laws, they would let worse stuff fly than endorsing genocide.
parpol@programming.dev 1 month ago
[deleted]rozodru@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I have. Literally checked out the the site for the first time today because of this post. it’s literally on their front page. I don’t have an account there, private window, all that and I still got it either far right or racist or conspiracy bullshit. Image
NotAnotherLemmyUser@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Most of those videos are also found on YouTube. I would expect that you don’t see those videos suggested to you because the algorithm has learned what you like to watch.
If you open up YouTube with a VPN and in a private tab you’ll likely get search results that include a mix from both the right and the left.
I’d rather not link to them, but from the ones you circled, these are the videos that I found on YouTube while doing a quick search:
- The Babylon Bee video
- The Paris Olympics opening ceremony video
- The Assassins Creed video
Now please excuse me as I purge my history…
Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I’m there because some of my favorite streamers, like MentalOutlaw, are there. I know there will be people who hold an opinion or view that i disagree with but the dame is true here. I’m not saying that there is hate speech here but i can’t expect every site i visit to be sunshines and rainbows just for me.
wewbull@feddit.uk 1 month ago
There may be content generators on there you can label that way, but that doesn’t make the platform neo-nazi.
You take all of the stuff excluded from a big platform and put it on a small platform, and it’ll swamp every other topic out. If as a platform runner you feel that you should not censor others, then this can happen.
On the flip side, there’s nothing stopping other with less controversial opinions to post there as well. Nobody is going to be told their channel about supercars isnt racist enough, or their politics channel is too-left communist.
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I’d have a very hard time sending people to my videos if they sit next to a white replacement theory video.
wewbull@feddit.uk 1 month ago
I think Odysee has created far fewer Nazis than sites with addiction exploiting algorithms that say they remove such topics.
Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Well I never happened to see anything related to these topics on Odysee. I mostly used to follow tech stuff as my other hobbies like cars and basketball aren’t really present on the platform.
DreitonLullaby@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
If you have some favourite YouTube channels from the cars and basketball world, you should try contacting them personally and asking them to sync their channel with Odysee. Even if they choose not to; at least they’ve heard of it now, know at least some of their audience may want them to, and may consider it in the future 🙂.
It might not work asking in YouTube comments though, but it’s worth a try. The reason I say this is I’ve personally tried it multiple times over the past year, and strangely I’ve been noticing that YouTube appear to be switching between banning the word “Odysee” spelled specifically that way, and not banning it. I would comment something with the word Odysee, and no matter what happens, it would immediately disappear the moment I refresh the page – commenting anything else would work fine. A few months later, I tried it again and it worked. Some time after that, it stopped working again, and it was like that for quite a while. Fast forward a month or two, and I again checked it a few days ago, and it seems to be currently working again; and all my previous comments from the past about Odysee have reappeared in my comment history, when they previously would not appear in my comment history. So now could be a good time to comment. It wasn’t a glitch with my account, because I tried it with two separate ones.
Jordan117@lemmy.world 1 month ago
“Associate your personal brand with the fringe-right/antivax/Nazi YouTube! What could possibly go wrong?”
Pika@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I can see my favorite channel now “I have zero interest in learning a new platform to have to figure out, I have a hard enough time with the mainstream sources” lmao
DreitonLullaby@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
What are you quoting? I didn’t say any of that.
todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 1 month ago
It isn’t exclusively a Neo-Nazi platform, but it is a free-speech absolutist platform, so they have absolutely no problem platforming Nazis.
It’s basically the 4chan of tube sites. All are welcome, but if you aren’t a fascist you probably won’t fit in.
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I’ll continue to steer clear.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
something something if there’s a nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 nazis
parpol@programming.dev 1 month ago
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I don’t really think that’s true at all, so long as you stay off the tankie instance. I have it blocked.
DreitonLullaby@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
I ain’t a fascist, Neo-Nazi, far-rightist, or any of the things Odysee is falsely marked by people as being, and I fit in just fine with my fellow Odysee users. Stop attacking one of the only companies who are truly trying to be the change they want to see in the world.
rozodru@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
please. If you’re going to spew this droll bullshit at least be aware that receipts exist.
so lets dive in shall we?
Odysee was built on the back of LBRY another typical crypto scam bullshit that was broke. couldn’t even pay a 100k lawsuit against them when the SEC took them to court and they went bust. theguardian.com/…/lbry-closes-odysee-cryptocurren…
Also you say you’re not a nazi but hey your platform of choice sure does love em! theguardian.com/…/odysee-video-platform-nazi-cont…
They’re also anti physically and mentally disabled: dailycal.org/…/article_14cffebb-7495-5bea-93f9-ae… thy reuploaded 20,000 lecture videos that were deemed illegal by the US Department of Justice for violating the American Disabilities Act. So they don’t care about deaf people. cool.
They also don’t moderate shit: www.nytimes.com/…/big-tech-power-bitcoin.html They say they’ll allow anything other then porn and calls to violence and terrorism buuuuuut they allow porn, calls to violence, and terrorism. Hell just checking out the “lifestyle” section you’ll see that what they state they’ll moderate just isn’t true.
Banned users from other platforms are welcome with open arms on Odysee: nhpr.org/…/from-cooking-videos-to-qanon-n-h-based… you know, People banned for good reason.
If you allow a nazi to drink in your bar, even if it’s just one, you’re a nazi bar.
cause, you know, the Global Network on Extremism and Terrorism called it “The New Youtube for the Far-Right” gnet-research.org/…/odysee-the-new-youtube-for-th…
So you saying you’re not a facist, neo-nazi, or any of that is funny considering you SURE DO love hanging out with them.
“When someone tells you who they are, believe them.”
IronKrill@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I agree with most of your points, but “anti physically and mentally disabled”? Really? Your source describes how they reuploaded unsubtitled lectures for the sake of preservation. This is hardly a villanous move and has nothing to do with “not caring about deaf people”. Let’s keep the arguments honest, you have plenty else to stick them with that’s actually substantial.
x00z@lemmy.world 1 month ago
To be honest, I’ve been using the website and I notice nothing of this. I can click a few links and get to said content, yes, but my feed and some of the categories I check are on par with YouTube. The only big difference I experience is that there’s much more content of smaller content creators.
zanyllama52@infosec.pub 1 month ago
Great description, I may have to go chock this output. Any good android app for it, or is the mobile site a PWA?