Comment on Traveling this summer? Maybe don’t let the airport scan your face.

• huginn@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  You’re never going to live in a world where you’re allowed to fly without photo id amigo.

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  • CyaL8r@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    That’s not what the other user is saying - we have to fight to keep what rights we have, and maybe one day gain some of the ones we lost

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    • kautau@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Their message is correct but they’re mad at that “calm down” part and addressed it poorly

      User 1: if you fly using a passport, the government knows what you look like, whether or not you opt out of facial recognition, being a Karen at the airport won’t help with you

      User 2: Fuck that, if we are complacent, more privacy will be taken away from us

      User 3: You can’t fly without a photo id

      Seems to me the user you responded to knows what they are saying, and you’re both right. You don’t have a right to fly on an airplane without a legal verification of who you are. We should have a right to verify our identity without facial recognition software. But that happens with laws, not making scenes at airports

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      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Honestly, we should have a right to fly w/o providing ID as well. I don’t need it to ride the bus or local train, and I don’t think I need it for a greyhound bus (if I pay w/ cash). I’ve heard you can maybe get away w/o ID on Amtrak, but their official policy says it’s required.

        So why are airplanes so different? Fatalities per mile on airplanes are among the lowest of any form of transportation, so I highly doubt terrorism is a significant, statistically relevant factor here. I think they do it because they can, not because it actually helps reduce risk in any meaningful way. I don’t see any basis for needing an ID for any form of mass transit, you should only need it for driving to prove that you have the privilege to do so.

        I really don’t understand why law enforcement is so infatuated with checking my ID…

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  • dgriffith@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    You’re never going to live in a world where you’re allowed to fly without photo id amigo

    Move to a different country.

    Eg in Australia I can book a domestic ticket and have two interactions after that:

    • x-ray/security where they scan my carry on
    • boarding at the gate where they scan my pass.

    No photo ID - or any ID really - needed. Now there’s enough dribs and drabs of information when I book the ticket and etc etc that they can identify me, but there’s nothing stopping someone from booking a ticket for someone else under their name.

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    • GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Wait are you really arguing Australia as a privacy and security IMPROVEMENT on three rest of western countries?

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      • Cocodapuf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        It sounds like it is an improvement for domestic flights. I don’t see anything that invalidates that argument…

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  • JayObey711@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I don’t know but have you ever taken a domestic flight? Or even a Schengen one? Open border policy woks wonders for data security and also quality of life in general

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  • DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yes, but Cinnabon doesn’t need to scan my face while I’m there. Every little bit helps.

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  • SulaymanF@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    That’s a strawman, who said otherwise? Showing ID is one thing, storing your ID and tracking your trips is another.

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    • pastermil@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      You really don’t think your trip can’t be tracked?

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      • SulaymanF@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Is that what I said? No. Of course it can be and is tracked. But I’m not going to Hand over my biometrics and make it easier for them.

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• CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  The reality is that the ship for that kind of privacy has shipped a long time ago. Like a hundred years ago. The reality is that the authorities know details about every single person that passes through an airport. You can’t get in or out without a passport/identification.

  There is virtually no expectation to privacy at an airport. It’s a public place that is heavily monitored for good reason. And that fact isn’t hidden in the slightest. You are legally required to freely and honestly identify yourself to the authorities.

  If this was at your local bus stop, then you’d have a point. But not at airports.

  Also, the serious discussion about privacy should have started with the introduction of the smartphone. That’s when the conversation would have mattered and made a difference. But that ship has sailed.

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  • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    For hundreds of years women couldn’t vote and minorities were categorically segregated. Things aren’t perfect for those groups now either but those ships had sailed and it was only because some people were vocal and outraged about it. If you’re not pissed off and making a little bit of a scene about what’s happening to human rights including privacy rights you’re part of the problem. If you see somebody protesting their picture in an airport security line, don’t be one of the sheep in the line saying hurry up buddy, you’re slowing us down. Tell the people around you he’s got every right to be upset about this. A bit of awareness and resistance is a good thing.

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    • CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      For hundreds of years women couldn’t vote and minorities were categorically segregated.

      That’s a strawman analogy. We’re not talking about privacy as a whole. The discussion here is about the supposed right to privacy at, what amounts to, a government controlled entrance point into the country. You have to identify yourself no matter which technology is being used. There’s no anonymity at an airport (from the government). Whether it’s technology or a piece of paper, you are legally required to identify yourself.

      I keep saying this over and over, but if you want to talk about digital privacy, focus your energy on smartphones and the internet. The impact for privacy violation and the impact for regaining privacy rights is the most effective there.

      Only a subset of any population has any interaction with an airport and the privacy implications there are next to nothing (because there is no right to anonymity there).

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      • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        The more you let a government stick high resolution 3d cameras in your face and shrug it off because you’ve already lost privacy the stronger their database becomes, the more complacent you become, the more willing you become to let them do it at the train station, the post office, the crosswalk, etc. The more willing you become to put your palm on their palm reader and retina in their retina scanner when they deploy that technology. I’m not dismissing better avenues to focus efforts, I’m acknowledging the increase in surveillance and potential for abuse in the absence of any proven benefit to the people that are allegedly protected by these changes.

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• Cosmicomical@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  won’t lead

  I would say we are already seeing / have already seen bad things happening because of this complacency. Buf of course worse thing will happen if we don’t take measures.

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