I mean, that’s a sweet position if the safety nets actually helped. Just kinda lame you have the same attitude as a 1%-er about it which just points to trolling. Would rather my taxes go to housing someone than war manufacturing or price gouging by corporate companies.
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EleventhHour@lemmy.world 4 months ago
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RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
I was happy to pay my taxes before I needed it, and I’ll be happy to pay my taxes after I need it. This is temporary, and it’s important that people get the help they need when they need it.
Problem is that the cost vastly surpasses the taxes you paid and will pay. And since the really rich always have the means to weasle out of the system, the middle class is bleeding until it can’t any more. Countries like Germany are squished by the cost of their welfare system.
problematicPanther@lemmy.world 4 months ago
the funds sholdn’t come from the working class, but instead the rich. increase taxes on the highest earners to fund welfare.
thetreesaysbark@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
I think for this to work you need an agreement between wealthy countries to all apply this kind of tax. This would be an attempt to stop all the accounts from just living offshore.
Not sure if the EU can apply this as a bloc style rule. I doubt the US powers that be would want to, and then other large powers I’d argue have even more questionable ruling classes anyway, but I’m open to bring wrong on that last statement.
problematicPanther@lemmy.world 4 months ago
no, you’re right. The wealthy would do everything they can in order to avoid those taxes, up to and including moving to a new country with lax tax laws.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Or taxes businesses based on where they make their profit, if they refuse to show their numbers and comply close them.
R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
Pretty big assumption here that they won’t pay more taxes than what they get from the government. I paid $20k in tax in the first year of my first non-retail job. If they paid taxes for 7-8 years before covid they probably already paid for themselves.
RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Your calculation would make sense - of all of your taxes went into the welfare system. In Germany the contribution rate is only 2.6% though (paid on top of your taxes) and with that your whole career might not be enough to pay for a single year of unemployment.
Also, the payment that arrives on your account hardly is the whole cost. There are up to whole ministries of government to pay for with thousands of tax-paid employees. Every pay-as-you-go system only works if the vast majority pays and only a few get paid.
R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
That’s fair, though we also don’t know how much this individual is getting from the welfare system. At the end of the day I’m far less annoyed by people like this than by billionaires or even just CEO-types who make tens, hundreds, or thousands of times what a normal person makes while providing arguably similar amounts of economic input.
Additionally, while this person’s comment comes across as proud, they more than likely actually need the support the welfare system gives them. There’s probably a reason they only started relying on it since covid.
FelixCress@lemmy.world 4 months ago
If you can work and you choose to live from benefits, you are a leech.
Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 4 months ago
We had almost full automation for 60 years in factories, where did that money go? There are leeches in society, and OP is not among the relevant ones.
FelixCress@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Two wrongs don’t make it right. The fact that rich people are often leeches does not change the fact that poor people can also be leeches.
ProvableGecko@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Brother. This is childish thinking. The exploitation of the rich is killing the planet, literally making it uninhabitable for all things living. One guy living off welfare is not on the same level, not by a long shot.
R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
Billionaires leech millions of times what a poor person leeches, and yet you’re here complaining about the poor person (who has likely already paid more in taxes than they have leeched).
problematicPanther@lemmy.world 4 months ago
i think anyone should be allowed to choose whether they want to work, and if they choose not to, they should at a minimum be provided housing, food, running potable water and clothing.
FelixCress@lemmy.world 4 months ago
On what basis? Are you asking me to support financially someone fully capable of working? Fuck that, I have my own children to support. If he can work, he should work.
Unless you are talking about universal basic income - but this is completely different idea to benefits and should be paid instead of all the other state payouts, including state pension. I am not opposed to that, that’s just basic wealth sharing.
problematicPanther@lemmy.world 4 months ago
i’m not asking you to do anything, unless of course you’re a member of the super wealthy who don’t pay a fair share in taxes. The burden should be on the wealthiest individuals who profit off our backs and keep us in this perpetual capitalist hell.
ProvableGecko@lemmy.world 4 months ago
On what basis?
On the basis that they are alive and if they didn’t get those basic amenities they wouldn’t be anymore. You know, like we do with healthcare in actually civilized countries.
Crackhappy@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You are a success story, which most people who have had hardships will be if only given a chance.
blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 4 months ago
It’s good that you are getting support. I do think your jokes here are a bit in bad taste though. It isn’t likely to make anyone feel good about supporting others, or about being supported.
EleventhHour@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The point of helping others isn’t to make yourself feel better
blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 4 months ago
That definitely is not what I was saying. What I’m saying is that mocking and taunting people does not help social cohesion. It can cause reluctance and spite. We just don’t need that.