Comment on Rock Eagle Flag

• shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Then I ask this: School shootings simply never happened when I was a kid in the 70’s and 80’s. We had far less regulation*. Any asshole could buy a gun, get it delivered to their doorstep, and they were cheap. Yes, even AR-15s.

  This shit all started with Columbine. Want to suicide and go out the most horrific way possible? Shoot up a school!

  So no, it’s not the guns. Nothing has really changed on that front. So what happened?

  * One exception: Conceal carry laws were nothing like today, far more restrictive. I’m leaving that out because criminals and mass murderers hardly give a shit about carrying illegally. Would that stop you if you were intent on murder? Also, at the same time, the laws around transporting guns generally became more restrictive.

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  • uberdroog@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I feel 9/11 and faux news had something to do with fetishizing guns. Fear mongering kills.

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  • Liz@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Yeah, it’s a social problem. Recognize that mass shooters are almost exclusively white males. The book Angry White Men by Michael Kimmel does a great job of profiling the person who does this sort of thing and why.

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  • PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Weren’t the 70s and 80s the peak of violent crime in the US? Including armed violent crime?

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    • GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      In general yes but this discussion is a out mass shootings.

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      • PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        This discussion is about gun violence. Saying there weren’t a lot of school shootings back then is about as helpful to the root issue discussion as saying that cyberbullying wasn’t an issue before the 90s anyways.

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    • GiveMemes@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Violent crime has pretty consistently dropped for the past century in the US with a small blip in the 90s often attributed to the prevalence of leaded gasoline and the higher propensity for violence that people exposed to it often had.

      School shootings still weren’t a thing back then tho so I fail to see your point.

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      • PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        The point is that an all time peak in violent crime and violent gun crime would indicate you’re not disproving gun crime you’re just hiding it in dark numbers that you’re hoping we won’t think matters.

        Also that peak is statistically referred to as happening between the 70s and 90s, specifically quadrupling vs rates prior in the 60s and 50s, before declining afterwards, so you were kinda right.

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• deranger@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Why doesn’t Canada see a similar per capita rate of shootings despite having more guns per capita than the US?

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  • InternetUser2012@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Maybe because their gun laws are a lot more strict? Kind of proves the point that gun regulation works doesn’t it?

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    • Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      My home country (Iceland) has the highest gun ownership in Europe. It’s not much compared to the US, but it’s interesting that we have almost no gun violence. The reason is that we have very strict gun control with thorough background checks, mandatory training and psych evaluations. In addition to that, we have a functioning healthcare system and low income inequality. All these things need to be adressed before the US sees a decrease in gun violence.

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    • deranger@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I’m not against regulations. It’s just something that came up in Bowling for Columbine that I’ve found interesting.

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  • PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Probably because most of those Canadians actually have a fucking good reason to be armed, IE for hunting, defending against dangerous wildlife, competitive shooting

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  • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Cricket cricket

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  • Prandom_returns@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Pls automatic vs hunting stat per capita.

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