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SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

What’s crazy is the cybersecurity teams at big corporations actually hate this because its putting half their security in Microsofts hands.

Corporations hate this shit too because they want to be using their internal, domain-controller users, not Microsoft accounts that pass a ton of trade secrets to Microsoft.

So Microsoft is literally killing core competencies not just for end-users, but for businesses, too.

This will convince a lot of businesses the switch to an all Linux internal domain to be worth it, imho.

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mark3748@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
What’s even crazier is that corporate customers don’t actually deal with this in any way! There’s no Microsoft account required on an Active Directory controlled PC.

Source: I am big corporate IT. Oh, and my personal AD deployment, outside of work

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- SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  How are you accomplishing this? Provisioning the PCs to be part of the domain with a Powershell install script during automated setup? Because I was under the impression that this also had become a difficult task with 11. Because a Windows 11 machine doesn’t know it’s going to be part of the domain until it has been added to the domain. So, the only way I can see that working is like Powershell combined with WDS or something.
  
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  - mark3748@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Windows 11 Enterprise likely uses a different OOBE, I just tell it to join during setup. At work, everything is image-based and pre-configured so no standard OOBE.
    
    Like most things at MS, those with the resources get everything they want while the little guy gets screwed.
    
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    SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Ah yes, I forgot about the existence of Entrprise edition. I’ve just never dealt with a business that paid for such a thing, I guess.
    
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    SupraMario@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Yup, you can DL enterprise Win11 for free to, just gotta know how to grab it from MS.
    
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    CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Haha, I work for one of Microsoft’s biggest customers and they still treat us like shit. Trust me they don’t do favors for anybody. They honestly do not care.
    
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  - Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    During setup press Shift + F10, type OOBE\bypassnro, press enter and have fun creating local accounts.
    
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    Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    That has been err “fixed” some time ago. You cant open the command window during setup anymore
    
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  - Jyek@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Windows 11 pro OOBE > get device online either via WiFi or wired network or bypass via commands > set up for school or work > sign in options > Domain Join. This asks you for local account name and password for a local administrator account and then drops you on the login screen.
    
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  - vodka@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    LTSC 24H2 released sometime at the end of May? I installed it just recently in a VM…
    
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BassTurd@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
As cool as it would be to see a big shift to Linux, I think you underestimate how deeply entrenched companies are with Microsoft, so unwilling to change, the lack of support for proprietary software, and probably most importantly, the lack of IT support to manage a Linux environment.

I’ve been full Arch since December in my personal stuff and have been a Sys Admin+ for 9+ years. I would not say I currently have the skills to effectively administer a Linux environment. I could get there, and there is a lot of overlapping knowledge, like the network stack didn’t change, but I don’t think I’m an outlier.

I recently switched from being the sole IT guy at a small/medium company so a place with about 2k employees. I have maybe met a couple of people within the company IT that I think could make the switch relatively well, and 70% of others that just don’t got it.

Long term it would probably be fine, but that’s not how companies work in most cases. I just don’t think most places are willing to bite the bullet now to benefit later.

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- fishpen0@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  This. We tried to ban windows and literally the ELT blocked it because they personally didn’t want to learn MacOS despite the entire engineering, product, and medical team being on it. We now keep having to pay more for audits and for security solutions for the 15 people refusing to get off windows in mostly the finance part of the company
  
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  - brbposting@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Depending on how:
    
    much they make
    
    slow they are learning new things, and
    
    how long they remain employed
    
    that could be the cheaper path!
    
    And so much more fun for IT regardless!
    
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cheese_greater@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Are they Microsoft like suicidal or something? They are absolute madmen

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- Cosmicomical@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  I also think the same, I’m afraid we live in a tech-savvy bubble
  
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bizarroland@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
I really wish it would, but the people that are the decision makers at businesses simply do not care what Microsoft does as long as it doesn't impact their bottom line. Yes it's incredibly user hostile. Yes it's an administrative nightmare for the IT people, but for the suits that write the checks? It's just the cost of doing business and they literally could not give a fuck if you paid them.

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- grue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  Maybe the execs don’t care and the IT folks don’t have the power to override them, but surely the legal department cares, right?
  
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MiltownClowns@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Its crazy their doing this while their CEO is being dragged on front of congress for their massive security breaches. Almost as if a monopoly is a bad.

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