Comment on TikTok sues the US government over ban

• dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  And Facebook isn’t?

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  • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Shit I forgot the us government owns 50% of Facebook

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    • DrDeadCrash@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Access to the data it’s what matters, ownership is just one method of access.

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      • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If this were true, it wouldn’t matter that the US set up the social security number system, because Experian leaked millions of Americans’ SSNs.

        It obviously matters who owns a service that millions of citizens use from a country that is a political rival. You’re just hoping to shut down any conversation against TikTok with a whataboutism

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      • FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So Americans having access to American’s Data is bad but you think China having access to American’s Data is good?

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    • istanbullu@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They don’t need to: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act

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      • UnpluggedFridge@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Requires a warrant or subpoena. That is the difference.

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    • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It doesn’t matter who owns it. It’s the data that the US government is accessing.

      I couldn’t give a shit about TikTok, I’ve never used it in my life. I just think the US should be open and say we are banning this as we don’t have control over it. Sure China is only doing what we are doing but fuck em. I’d respect that.

      Also, it’s got to be about silencing pro-Palestinian rhetoric too.

      If they ban TikTok they should ban FaceBook and Instagram too.

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      • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Also, it’s got to be about silencing pro-Palestinian rhetoric too.

        Yeah trump was talking about banning it in 2020 because he used his time machine to find out what it would be used for in the future. After his harrowing story from the future, I agreed with the effort to ban it because I lOvE gEnOcIdE

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    • Mrkawfee@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They don’t need to. Facebook plays ball.

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      • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        “if one authoritarian government does surveillance even across borders, why can’t all? Anything less than ‘i agree’ here is hypocrisy!”

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  • atrielienz@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I have a question for you. What is the difference between Google being banned in China and Tik Tok being banned in the US?

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    • irreticent@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      *crickets chirping*

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      • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Mans gotta sleep bro. Christ. I’ll reply after work.

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    • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There really isn’t, but perhaps they should be honest about that.

      Also, is Google banned or Google won’t do what China wants so left? I don’t know the answer.

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• istanbullu@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So is Instagram

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• trolololol@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Can I ban NSA from spying on me? I’m not even on fReEeDoOoOoM land, I should be entitled to some amount of privacy

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  • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Whatabout! Whatabout!

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    • admin@lemmy.my-box.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is not whataboutism - it’s looking at the bigger picture. The point is that you should want to prevent all mass surveillance by social media companies. Not force them to sell so that the government can get its greedy paws on the data.

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      • UnpluggedFridge@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The government can already access the data with a warrant. The ownership of TikTok has literally 0 effect on the government’s ability to access user data. Not being owned by the Chinese government has a huge impact on China’s ability to access that data.

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      • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I can want both.

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• UckyBon@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yes I need my government to tell me obvious facts like foreign surveillance is bad. I’m just that stupid /s

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• TimeSquirrel@kbin.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  And if someone chooses to watch that, that's their business. Not nanny government's.

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  • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The really secret is that the government is jealous of China

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• possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Which is any different than YouTube, Lemmy or anything else?

  I think people should have a right to shoot themselves in the foot if they choose.

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  • darkevilmac@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The difference from the perspective of the US is that it’s spyware from a potentially malicious foreign state. China bans US tech companies as well, TikTok took advantage of the US having a much more open market and the state decided that they were acting in bad faith.

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  • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I no longer opt into conversations with people who believe “China bad” is an argument winner

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