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blarth@thelemmy.club ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• apotheotic@beehaw.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If your sci fi isn’t making some sort of social or political statement, its not sci fi - its just sparkling futurism.

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  • Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    … wow, “sparkling futurism” is the phrase I didn’t know I needed, thx. I classifies so much stuff perfectly!

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    • apotheotic@beehaw.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Glad to be of service :D

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  • blarth@thelemmy.club ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Disagree.

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    • apotheotic@beehaw.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s fair. What are some of your favourite sci fi pieces?

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      • blarth@thelemmy.club ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Inception, Interstellar, Star Trek movies, Star Wars (originals), probably some I’m forgetting.

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• Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yeah, it’s not a-political like real sci fi like Star Trek

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  • FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What was the allegory of the original Stargate movie, actually? Something about the working class overcoming monarchy, maybe? TBH it kind of played off as US Military intervention in the Middle East propaganda… Yeah that’s probably it.

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    • Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Also: Starship Troopers is not just about killing bugs

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      • Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s abut mating with them and creating a new race (ie space diplomacy).

        Imagine a human capable of butt-to-orbit warfare.

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• DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  How dare sci-fi explore political issues, like the tendency of humanity to resort to othering people that make them uncomfortable.

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  • blarth@thelemmy.club ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m fine with it, it’s just that the sci-fi is a thin veneer for the political message.

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Gonna be real champ, there’s a ton of sci-fi in the movie, it sure sounds like you just don’t like hearing the message.

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      • blarth@thelemmy.club ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Good God there are so many assumptions about my character based on this post. Thought I was escaping the Reddit hive mind mentality coming here, but seems like it’s the same shit in another place.

        The message is fine. A refugee story. The plight of the impoverished. Fine. It might have landed better for me if there were more sci-fi aspects involved.

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• SparrowRanjitScaur@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It can be both.

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• DavidGarcia@feddit.nl ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  counter point: cool robots

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• Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I … actually kinda agree with you.
  I get that ‘if alien then sci-fi’ is the norm for designating sci-fi (like, if it contains science fiction then it’s sci-fi, regardless of the plots focus, the entire thing is classified by the setting).

  But my head-canon also focuses on what the story is about.
  If I could take out the sci-fi elements & the story wouldn’t change (ie could be set in today’s Earth), then I only see it as -fi. The most controversial example of this (just in my head) wound be Star Wars. Much later in the extended universe things changed, but the movies started out as pure westerns, like, the same story could have been told as a wester and especially the screenplay parts wouldn’t have to change, just the backdrop (Im not being literal, but not far from it). Space sci-fi in general has the tendency to use the dimensions in space like if everything was happening on Earth.

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