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ChokingHazard63@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

He had my support until he signed himself over to Russia. It may have been his only choice, but what he says doesn’t matter one way or the other in my book.

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HubertManne@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I still support him. I don't blame him for being forced into russia. He gave up a lot to let us know what was going on.

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KevonLooney@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
True. He’s probably telling the truth about a lot of things, but notice what he doesn’t say. He’s a smart guy and is not saying certain things to stay on Putin’s good side.

He’s been in Russia 10 years now. He would probably be out of jail if he had surrendered. Chelsea Manning is already out:

She was sentenced to 35 years at the maximum-security U.S. Disciplinary Barracks at Fort Leavenworth. On January 17, 2017, Obama commuted Manning’s sentence to nearly seven years of confinement dating from her arrest in May 2010.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning

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- TigrisMorte@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Always cloak a lie in truth.
  
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Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
You shouldn’t misrepresent his dire situation. There were sadly no good choices for the man.

He is a hero for his sacrifice, regardless of where he lives.

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Thorned_Rose@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Because the US is so much better?

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- Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  For now…
  
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- awwwyissss@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The US government doesn’t openly torture, murder, kill to expand their borders, put people in jail for blank signs, or many other terrible things the Kremlin does. The US government is easily, hands down better than the Russian government.
  
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  - lesbian_seagull@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Guantanamo Bay seemed like pretty open torture to me.
    
    American imperialism, while different than European imperialism, is imperialism nonetheless. And damn, Native Americans would like a word with you about this point I should think…
    
    It is no longer safe to organize a protest in Louisiana, Mississippi, or Texas. Blank signs or otherwise. This is just as if a couple of days ago, even, dang.
    
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    vulgarcynic@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Completely off topic but your username is rad. Now I’ll be humming that song all day.
    
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    awwwyissss@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Guantanamo certainly wasn’t open torture, it was hidden and very controversial. My comment was about the current US government vs the current Kremlin, seems like you’re intentionally misconstruing it to make a point.
    
    No longer safe is a biased way of interpreting the law which allows organizers to be held financially responsible for problems caused by their protest.
    
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  - Thorned_Rose@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Uh, yeah it does. Not to meting the US has killed more people through colonisation, direct nd proxy wars, etc. than any other nation in human history.
    
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    awwwyissss@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It does what?
    
    How many people do you think the US has killed?
    
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    RandoCalrandian@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    gonna need some citations there, bud, otherwise i'll safely assume you know fuck all about world history
    
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Neato@ttrpg.network ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Yeah. He’s 100% compromised. People don’t have to hate him or what he did, but once you put yourself totally within a power like Putin, you’re effectively dead.

I think For All Mankind also did a great job showing that dilemma in later seasons.

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stembolts@programming.dev ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
How do you mean? What did he do besides have his passport revoked in Russia?

I’m out of the loop.

Has he made some pro-Putin statements since?

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- ChokingHazard63@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  theguardian.com/…/edward-snowden-gets-russian-pas…
  
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  - CowsLookLikeMaps@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It sucks but what else was he supposed to do? He had no passport and if he got extradited to the USA then he’d spend years of a life sentence in solitary confinement at a CMU prison or worse. Take one look at how the US government treats those they consider terrorists and you’ll understand his decision.
    
    Obligatory fuck Putin and his war on Ukraine.
    
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    awwwyissss@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    As another commenter said, Chelsea Manning is already out. Snowden wouldn’t be considered a terrorist.
    
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  - Euphoma@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Imo its understandable since he’s going to have to live in russia for the rest of his life if he doesn’t want to live in a US prison for the rest of his life.
    
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  - stembolts@programming.dev ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I suppose I don’t understand the alternative, doesn’t the United States ask immigrants to do a similar type of pledge? I kinda expect most countries do. Seems logical. I could be wrong about that, maybe immigrants don’t have to pledge loyalty to the US for citizenship? I’ll have to look it up.
    
    I guess to me it seems disingenuous to judge someone for making arrangements to live in a country he cannot leave. He is forced to stay there by the United States, it wasn’t a choice.
    
    Anyway I could definitely be missing something here but I can’t think of what he could have done differently, what would you have done in that situation?
    
    I have a lot of respect for Snowden because he showed us how little respect the United States has for obeying its own laws. The laws which are based on our supposed virtues. The US violated every principle it proclaimed that American citizens had. We never had then. Turns out we’re just as crooked as the countries we judge.
    
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    ChokingHazard63@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    At this point it’s less about trusting Snowden and more about not trusting Russia. I wouldn’t put it past Russia to find a way to speak on his behalf and say what they want with his voice, power, and reach. That’s tantalizing. AI, Photoshop, social media posts, whatever. He’s under their control willingly or otherwise.
    
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