I have an account on lemmygrad and when I created it, I was asked about my politics. They formally accepted every left ideology but when you say anything remotely anti-authoritarian, you get downvoted into oblivion
Comment on unsure why we are surprised lol
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Lemmy.ml is still focused on FOSS and Privacy, Lemmygrad.ml is focused on Marxism-Leninism. As such, there are plenty of non-MLs on Lemmy.ml, including Anarchist communities, while this is banned on Lemmygrad.ml.
Very different instances, I wouldn’t call Lemmygrad.ml “mask off” Lemmy.ml.
lugal@lemmy.world 2 months ago
ManniSturgis@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Mind boggling. Like seriously, I am as left wing as they come and for me that is defined by anti-authoritarian views. Fascists aren’t bad because they are the wrong kind of fascist.
orrk@lemmy.world 2 months ago
to be fair, tankies are the fascist skinwalkers wearing the visage of the lefties they killed
Kedly@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Oh shit. I now I dont know if I like this, or “Leftist version of a Nazi Brony” more
melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Almost literally, if you know jack shit about the Russian revolution.
Kedly@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I’ve recently come to the conclusion that they are the leftist version of Nazi Bronies, like, dude, you’re one of the first populations that your preferred rulers are going to purge.
DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 2 months ago
Nah. People like that end up being pushed into paramilitary shit.
lugal@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I totally agree with you. That said, tankies will argue some shit why they are further left. You can go into that discussion about the semantics of left and distract from the fact that tankies are evil. Or stop “gatekeeping” leftness and argue why they are bad.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Not doubting you, but what do you mean by “anti-authouritarian?” Presumably you’ve read Engels’ On Authority so you know what they are operating under the pretense of, I can see anti-Marxist takes getting removed or downvoted. It is Lemmygrad after all, not Lemmy EZLN or Lemmy Catalonia.
lugal@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I didn’t mean to disagree with you. Just add that they are formally open to other leftist viewpoints but not effectively.
And yes, you will get alot of strawmans like Engels’ On Authority. If you want an analysis of the text, this video debunks it quite well
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Are you an anti-Engels Marxist? I’m sorry, I think I actually agree with downvoting you, lol. That’s silly.
melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Lenin had some disagreements with Marx, i dont even like marx ans lenin is worse, and ‘marxist lenninist’ means ‘stalinist’. Which is even worse.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
What is a leftist, if not someone advocating collective owmership of Capital? Leftist isn’t a syononym for “good,” of course, but I fail to see how Marxist-Leninists aren’t leftists.
SRo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
There is the fascist
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
In what manner at all? Fascism is fucking horrible, and I am talking about Marx and Engels. Unless, of course, you think Communism is fascist, in which case I really don’t know what to tell you.
summerof69@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Lemmy.ml is still focused on FOSS and Privacy
Meanwhile at c/worldnews they remove replies where people disagree that Ukraine is run by fascists and Putin should take it.
Socsa@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
.ml is rapidly becoming the joke of the fediverse with how unapologetically they hand out band for even mild wrong think.
Gabu@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That’s a straight lie. ML will quickly ban you for pointing out Russian astroturfing and Russian propaganda, but they barely give a shit about anything else.
optissima@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Got any fun or good examples?
Socsa@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Other than just browsing the modlog (actually do it from .ml since they seem to selectively federate the mod log these days) The asklemmy thread about fediverse trolls is pretty much a perfect example of the .ml mods falling over themselves to ban any dissent as “incivility” while letting actual trolls get away with actual incivility.
Wilzax@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Just realized that .ml is a domain hack for tankies. Go figure.
Kedly@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Except lemmygrad users are realizing we all blocked their instance and are becoming more active in lemmy.ml to try and evade this, and so yeah, .ml is getting more and more like Lemmygrad
prole@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Can’t wait for this to become a systemic issue with Lemmy. Why does everything have to be ruined by tankies and conservatives? They know that nobody wants to talk to them, but they will evade and disrespect the rules just to make other people miserable.
What a sad hobby.
Kedly@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Tbh, I’m not super worried, theres already been defederation with Hexbear and Lemmygrad. As they infect tanky safezones and cause more defederations because of it, non tankie specific federations are going to start becoming specifically anti Tankie in response. I mean, look at how my comment calling them brain damaged, it hasnt been civility removed yet, which I feel is a good sign. So while they can always create new accounts on non Tankie federations, over time they are going to start having to hiding their more violent revolution and dictator loving sides, which tbh, at that point I’ll tolerate their presence
Socsa@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
This is the part I find hilarious. MLs think the reason people don’t like their outdated brand of communism is because they are brainwashed. The reality is that people don’t like their outdated brand of communism because tankies are insufferable, know-it-all autocrats who refuse to engage with any modern formulation of Marxist theory.
If MLs would be more academically engaged with contemporary political science, people would like their messaging much more. Of course then they’d probably realize that Lenin and Mao were just giant assholes, so I guess it’s a bit of a paradox.
pukeko@lemm.ee 2 months ago
There’s a joke (or possibly simple wisdom) about a bar that’s worth discussing here.
melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Tankies are reactionaries.
Literally, the Bolsheviks were the reactionaries that suppressed and appropriated the Russian revolution, and said they were doing it at the time. ‘M-L’ is stalinism.
They’re basically red star brand conservative reactionaries.
no_name_dev_from_hell@programming.dev 2 months ago
This is just a very braindead take. Not all types of authoritarian mindset are reactionary. Red fascism is an absurd take which was originated by CIA propaganda in the 50s.
Your critique of authoritarian states, does not make them equal. That is a centerist take that smells like a moral jerk off ritual.
awwwyissss@lemm.ee 2 months ago
It’s not a hobby, they’re paid by the CCP/Kremlin.
Snowpix@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Both can be true at the same time
gerbler@lemmy.world 2 months ago
No they do it for free. These aren’t paid assets they’re angsty disaffected teens.
Socsa@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Hey, that’s not fair - many of them are paid by the RNC to turn off left leaning voters.
fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 2 months ago
A lot of them are shills/bots. The Kremlin (maybe also the CCP, not sure) is supporting a bunch of political extremes, whether they agree with them or not.
Divide and conquer in a digital age.
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Think of shitty kids who like to wreck everything they touch. Whenever they try to make their own clubhouse, it usually doesn’t last long because they wind up wrecking it themselves. And while they like to wreck things, they don’t actually like living in a wrecked clubhouse. They want to be able to wreck things and laugh as others suffer from their damage and have to fix it. So they invade other clubhouses because their own is always a fucking mess.
TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Have any Conservative instances been de-federated, or are there any? I’ve noticed a HUGE influx of ‘Men’s Rights’ misogynists, wondering if they came from that happening.