Comment on Lemmy.ml is acting as a proxy instance for Hexbear and should be defederated by any instances that defederate from Hexbear

taaz@biglemmowski.win ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• ech@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Unfortunately blocking an instance only blocks posts on that instance, not users from it, which is the main issue people have with those instances.

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  • Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah it’s a very common misconception, I find it weird that people are still having it though when 0.19 is widely available.

    Maybe they’re just saying it as a way to be dismissive of the issue, this kind of stuff happens often when people report or call to attention malicious instances or malicious users.

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    • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Honestly I think it’s just people that haven’t thought very deeply about the nature of communities they’re supporting.

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      • Snowpix@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        nor how letting a large, poorly moderated instance run wild can negatively affect discourse on the entire platform. Before Hexbear was defed’d on lemmy.ca, Lemmy was damn near unusable on many threads because of the spam and trolling. Blocking them doesn’t stop them from bothering those who haven’t and it affects the platform as a whole.

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  • Hanrahan@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think thays a good compromise. if you then have an issie with a particular user you can block them individually.

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  • state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m actually mostly fine with blocking instances myself. Users from troll instances rarely annoy me.

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  • clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I use Connect for Android, and when I block an instance it blocks the users too. Their comments are still here, but sort of spoiler tagged.

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    • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes but surely you can understand that even votes from these poorly moderated instances are distorting the discourse elsewhere in the lemmyverse.

      Just because you can’t see it does not mean the problem is solved.

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      • matcha_addict@lemy.lol ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So we wanna defederate to steer votes in a certain way? Worrying so much about votes is such redditor behavior.

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• Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Btw you are also free to block any instance yourself.

  Not how the instance blocking feature works. it’s a common misconception because people don’t read the docs and just assume it does what they think it does. From the News Section on Join-Lemmy:

  Users can now block instances. Similar to community blocks, it means that any posts from communities which are hosted on that instance are hidden. However the block doesn’t affect users from the blocked instance, their posts and comments can still be seen normally in other communities.

  It’s not an alternative or replacement to defederation, not even close. I’m really surprised this misconception still persists even after widespread adoption of 0.19.x across the Lemmy network.

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  • bouh@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So you don’t care about the instance you want to ban all the users from there. That’s quite open minded and tolerant!

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    • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Honestly, I’m so weary of being open minded and tolerant. I just want to look at linux memes in peace.

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      • Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Paradox of tolerance, if you tolerate the intolerant then tolerance quickly goes extinct.

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      • bouh@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You can block instances for yourself instead of blocking them for everyone.

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    • Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      @bouh@lemmy.world Lol look at you seething away, came here just to randomly attack people in a defederation thread.

      I know what triggers these types of responses to defederation, many people believe that the Fediverse was some grand user choice and free speech haven. Which is an incorrect assumption, by a long shot. The fediverse since it’s beginning has never been a free speech platform, and also like all other top down servers prioritizes admins, the people who pay the bills and are liable for what happens on their server. So when servers violate these rules and all other options have been exhausted or it is clear that they will continue causing issues persistently, servers are defederated to maintain the peace and safety of their server. One thing to make clear is that all users have the choice of signing up to a different server that does federate, and if they are the victim of one of these compromised/bad-faith servers, they really should consider doing that.

      That’s quite open minded and tolerant! Paradox of Tolerance

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      • bouh@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’m merely pointing the hypocrisy here. Some people on lemmy.world are litteraly on a witch hunt.

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