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deegeese@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
If it needs someone’s cloud servers to function, you don’t really own it.
This is a good place to plug Home Assistant .
That combined with Thread/Matter ensures I own my own stuff, and they don’t need to report to the cloud.
It’s still a little rough around the edges, but I’d rather deal with the frustrations of bleeding edge open source than to just have tech I’ve built into my house expire at some company’s whim.
Check out some screenshots of home assistant dashboards.
Yeah.
This is why I bought myself some blink cameras. Obviously, privacy is shit (and I've factored this) and you're affectively forced to pay for use their cloud service, but at least the (initial) purchase price is cheap.
But I've 'bought' cameras for far more, only for them to hobble functionality a few years down the line. And they've had vulnerabilities or whatever.
For the sensitive stuff, I have a camera with an SD card, but obviously phone notifications is a big selling point of systems like this.
Amcrest. Cloud service is optional, you can send host with their equipment, or use industry standard Onvif to integrate with any 3rd party (self hosting) hardware and software.
Yea… My current home automation is all local, but cameras are still an issue.
I’ve got 3 cameras running on a vlan, with no access to the internet.
Frigate / Home Assistant + tail scale (want to move away from this service) let me see my cameras remotely, receive notifications from events and even look at events / stills on my watch.
I have some cheap 5mp Reolink camseras, not the best for frigate but get the job done.
foggy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
We need consumer protections here, though.
Like 10 year money back guarantee or something. If the device becomes unusable due to actions outside of the device owners control, those in control should be obligated to reimburse.
Not doing so opens the doors to racketeering.
ogmios@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
That’s the idea.
foggy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I mean I haven’t seen it yet but for a simple example, imagine a Netflix competitor that says you just buy the device for $10,000. One time purchase. Free ad-free tv forever.
Let’s say they get enough subscribers to profit by year 3.
Okay. Rug pull. Chapter 11. Sorry bye, thanks for all the fish.
cerement@slrpnk.net 8 months ago
or just install a rootkit on users’ computers …
kevincox@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
I don’t think we need to set a global minimum date, but the manufacturer should have to put a date on the box. If they don’t support the device up to that date (including security updates and maintaining any required cloud services) then the consumer gets a full refund with possibly additional damages.
I think of it like the digital version of a nutrition facts table.
nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 8 months ago
Good idea. If we do this and also add some sort of positive label on devices that work locally and are interoperable it might start a positive feedback loop: More people become aware of the issue or simply want the device with the better label when choosing in a store, leading to more manufacturers producing more devices that aren’t cloud-dependent.
kevincox@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Yeah. For sure. If your device doesn’t depend on a cloud service you can put that on your label and it is basically a gold star.
Although even local devices should get security updates. The radios and the firmware speaking the ZigBee protocol can have vulnerabilities.
SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I vote for forced open sourcing of the server side components and communication protocols. That way people can create custom firmware or build support into generic NVRs
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Most customers would not be able to take advantage of this
conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
You don’t need every consumer to roll their own. If they’re obligated to provide server code, or an API, or whatever, stuff that sells at scale can be integrated into community projects. If you buy something obscure you might have issues, but you have options if you buy something mainstream and get the rug pulled.
Serinus@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Ten years really isn’t that long.