You left out the part where her daddy bankrolled her entire early career. That said, she has worked hard.
sj_zero 8 months ago
Let me throw a counterpoint at you:
Taylor Swift is a lady who has had to work really hard and became the top of her field, who works hard to stay in shape, whose entire love life has been filled with unmanly men leaving her unfulfilled until she started dating the ultimate alpha chad where they have a relatively standard supportive relationship, whose career has been about producing competently produced uncontroversial works of status quo work, and not to mention her extremely conventional hairstyles, clothing, and make-up.
I mean, all those things lean conservative and not solely due to identity per se.
Illuminostro@lemmy.world 8 months ago
criitz@reddthat.com 8 months ago
Working hard and staying in shape is conservative? I am pretty sure “exercise” is liberal mumbo-jumbo.
sj_zero 8 months ago
It depends which worldview you take on, but things like hard work and staying in shape have been called "fascist" by a left wing that sees any form of self-improvement as counter-revolutionary.
It seems to me that I was reading The Republic a couple weeks ago and Plato 2500 years ago was talking about the need for people to stay in shape in the gymnasium (not the same thing as today, but still a place to hone your body) so there's definitely precedent to call it conservative since it's a value held since antiquity.
GnomeKat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
You have an incredibly inaccurate view of left wing politics. Leftists don’t have a problem with staying in shape or self improvement. They do have a problem with discrimination against those who can’t stay in shape. Leftists are not opposed to cochlear implants, this is laughably inaccurate. Leftists are the ones pushing for universal healthcare. Leftists want free college so people can improve themselves. They want workers to have more power, trade unions are full of some of the most hard working people in America. The only part about Taylor Swift that aligns with American conservatism is that she became incredibly rich by having rich banker parents fund her music career from a very young age.
You really should try to see what actual leftists are advocating, not some culture war garbled YouTube videos are telling you.
sj_zero 8 months ago
I'd say you have a pretty inaccurate view of left wing politics.
Which is understandable. There's been a major shift in the past 15 years that really fundamentally changed the mainstream left.
You and I probably have similar political views in many ways, but when you stand in a stream, you don't have to move for the water to pass you by.
Better open your eyes before it's too late -- you'll get your bank account shut down for wrongthink.
criitz@reddthat.com 8 months ago
I don’t think an idea just being old making it conservative is a good definition. I also think “left wing hates any self improvement” is a pretty wild one. Maybe it’s true of some sliver of people.
sj_zero 8 months ago
I don't know, it's really tough to say -- If you're reading old texts hoping to glean some wisdom, depending on the context that would definitely be conservative, but depending on the context it might not be. I was just talking about Wang Mang around 30AD, and he spent a lot of time digging up evidence of how imperial china was run 1000 years before he was born based on confuscian teachings from 500 years before he was born. On the other hand, at this point after 200 years of Marx you could claim marxism is conservative (and in fact Xi is really making a conservative maoist argument in his government right now hoping to return to the stricter times of his childhood)
Here's an interesting video on the idea of the left hating self-improvement. I won't claim it's universal, but the argument is somewhat convincing in light of many things I've seen far removed from this particular video including stuff like opposing technologies like cochlear implants that would make a deaf person non-deaf. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6Vf-ry-3rg
SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Greek gymnasiums were a hell of a fun time.
Asafum@feddit.nl 8 months ago
“Self-improvement is masturbation, now self destruction…”