Fuck you.
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Maggoty@lemmy.world 10 months ago
How are you expecting him to feed himself off he can’t work anywhere? There’s no such thing as a men’s only work place.
I agree that take should be charged with the same severity as taking a life. But we also need to let ex felons leave that in the past if they can. There’s a lot of abuse and oppression that results from permanent shunning. We made the choices in our justice system that we made because of history. Let’s not repeat the mistakes of history.
Chakravanti@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Maggoty@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Okay. Let’s just keep all the prisoners locked up forever. Well wait, that’s kind of expensive. Let’s force them to work. You know they’re going to have kids, and both parents are no good evil people so the kids must be too. Let’s never let the kids out either.
Congratulations, you’ve re-invented chattel slavery. With the exact same argument of banishing felons from society that was used in the 1600’s and eventually evolved into chattel slavery.
Can we do the civil war now too or do we have to wait?
pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 10 months ago
So if we protect our communities, we’ll enable slavery. So if we don’t want slavery, we have to expose ourselves to rapists.
Yeah, no, you can take your inflammatory, enabling garbage and shove it.
Imprison rapists for life. Stop letting them out in society. Don’t let situations like OP’s happen in the first place.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 10 months ago
It’s not an either/or situation. But congratulations. You are the second or third person to respond with a ridiculous logical fallacy.
Chakravanti@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
You got shit backwards. War is now. Deny or don’t still happening.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 10 months ago
This isn’t a civil war. I’ve seen a civil war. And this is nowhere close.
lunachocken@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Any reason or just being a blatant idiot?
Chakravanti@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
You’re being the jackass supporting the tyrrany ensaling everyone.
Crackhappy@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I respectfully disagree. Murder is not at the same level as rape. Rape is awful and despicable, but at least you’re alive to recover from it.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 10 months ago
That’s the thing, many people never recover from rape.
L1to@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I think more people don’t recover from death compared to rape
Maggoty@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I’m not arguing that lol. But many people would literally rather be killed than raped and it’s frequently cited as one of the things, “worse than death”.
It should absolutely be punished similarly.
beefcat@lemmy.world 10 months ago
But it is possible to recover, and many do. There is no recovery from being murdered.
Murder also has further externalities. When you kill someone, you take them away from their friends and families, who now have to live forever without that person in their lives.
But this whole conversation feels a lot like we’re asking “who was worse, Hitler or Genghis Khan?”, and it’s weird to put either side on the defensive even if there is an objectively true answer to be found.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Yes, but statistically speaking the amount of people who recover from murder (being around 0 to 1, depending on if the Resurrection of Christ is a factual event or mere myth) is a tad lower than people who recover from rape induced trauma…
mwproductions@lemmy.world 10 months ago
See that’s where I disagree. They’re both awful, traumatic events. At least with murder you’re dead and don’t have to spend the rest of your life haunted by the experience.
kava@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I think this attitude where some traumatic event ruins people for life is toxic. Trauma is part of life. People can move on and have fulfilling lives.
ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 10 months ago
“Trauma is part of life”? Murder and dieing is also part of life. Sorry, but that just doesn’t make sense. Trauma in a clinical sense is certainly not “part of life”.
pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world 10 months ago
And so therefore a rape victim should just put up with rape and move on. They’re still alive so it doesn’t matter, and their rapist should be able to live with no consequences.
By your twisted logic, you can justify doing anything to anyone as long as you don’t kill them. Rape does affect everyone for life, especially the ones who have claimed they moved on from it.
What makes you think someone won’t turn around and use your own reasoning to justify doing something to you?
HawlSera@lemm.ee 10 months ago
I can’t send a corpse to therapy for any amount of time that’s long enough for them to recover from being dead, I can say differently about being traumatized…
And honestly as someone who’s used therapy to recover from trauma, I find the idea that “It would unquestionably be better if you were murdered instead” to be so absurdly offensive and dismissive, as if anything of value to me and my continued existence is suddenly moot because I’ve become “Damaged Goods”
Seeing Murder as preferable to Rape is a highly misogynistic way of thinking that draws too much from patriarchal standards about a woman’s worth.
dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
Murder, for the victim, by definition, is not a traumatic event.
aidan@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Death is always an option, revival generally isn’t.
ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 10 months ago
There is no reason why rape is judged much less severely than torture though.
pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 10 months ago
What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
You are advocating a known sexual predator be allowed in the workplace, knowing other employees are threatened by his presence.
The company isn’t responsible for ensuring the rapist – who is not supposed to be in society in the first place – is able to put food on the table. It is the company’s responsibility to protect its workers in th workplace, and that means not letting a known rapist work around women.
Honestly, those women could probably go complain to the EEOC. They certainly could win a civil suit.
What you’re asking for is horrific and a blatant violation of the rights of other people. We don’t live under the barbaric practices of the 20th century where anything like this can just be done to you and you have to put up with. We live in the 21st century where we recognize the rights of victims and communities are more important.
Don’t like it? Do what you’re telling rape victims to do: get over it and move on.
aidan@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Women aren’t the only victims of rape. Clearly he shouldn’t be allowed to work around anyone right? Actually he shouldn’t be allowed to live near anyone who could be at risk either. Actually he shouldn’t be allowed to go near anyone who could be raped. I think the Soviets already tried a prisoner only island and it didn’t work too well.
pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 10 months ago
It’s not the company’s responsibility to employ him.
There are plenty of jobs he can get where he doesn’t interact with anyone.
OP and the other workers have a serious, legitimate, valid fear of this asshole and their rights are fundamentally more important than his, because it’s their safety and security on the line, not his or by extension yours. He is not you
You’re being overly emotional and melodramatic, and it’s obvious you’re doing it on purpose because you know what you’re asking for is horrific.
No one owes that clown a living and if you don’t like it, it’s too fucking bad. He should have thought about that before being a dirty rapist, just as you should have thought before you opened your stupid fucking mouth.
The people at that job do NOT have to suffer his presence to appease you. They do NOT have to endanger themselves by being around a fucking rapist!
Don’t you care about their rights at all? Their rights are being violated by virtue of him being there, doesn’t that matter to you at all? Would you want your cousin or your sister or your mother or your wife to work in a situation like that? Or are you gonna insult my intelligence by lying to my face saying they or you do already, so surely rape apologia is good for us peasants too?