Comment on Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

BombOmOm@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• billwashere@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Is nobody gonna mention this horrible KITT steering wheel?!? That damn thing is dangerous.

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  • TheFriar@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah round wheels are not a fuckin style choice. It’s so you can grab it anywhere in any situation. This steering wheel looks fuckin deadly

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    • j4k3@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They are the worst drivers by infractions. Dead wheel is a culling tool.

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      • TheFriar@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You can’t even grab 10:00 and 2:00 on it. Looks like the closest you can get is 4:00 and 8:00

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    • LazaroFilm@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The only way a yoke would make sense is if it was drive by wire and could vary the ratio of the wheel dynamically depending on speed.

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    • JJROKCZ@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s a yoke because top tier race cars use yokes and Elon thinks his teslas are that for some reason. Completely disregarding all the setup and engineering race cars have that make a yoke the more viable option than a wheel…

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  • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The funny thing is that they put it on the S/X without changing absolutely anything else, then brought out the Cybertruck with steer-by-wire (where a yoke might actually make sense) and put a squircle on it.

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    • LillyPip@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m still gobsmacked the Cyberteuck is now a thing. Does nobody remember that we were ridiculing the design of that monstrosity 15 years ago?

      Like it disappeared for a while, and now it’s suddenly in production with no changes, nearly two decades later? I feel like I’m from a Mandela universe.

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  • DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They also don’t ship the the yoke by default anymore, the default is a regular round one and has been for a while.

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  • Durandal@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ever seen what real life F1 car steering “wheels” look like?

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    • unrelatedkeg@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They aren’t meant for public roads, just like Teslas.

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      • Durandal@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Oh absolutely not. Just mentioning it in reference to the way the KITT yoke looks.

        TBF KITT could self drive just fine so he didn’t need a very functional “wheel” heh.

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    • mundane@feddit.nu ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Those are way more sensitive so there is no need to turn hand over hand. The downside is that that sensitivity can be really hard to handle at high speeds.

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      • anlumo@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Couldn’t the sensitivity be adjusted based on the speed? Doing a hard turn during high speed is a very bad idea anyways.

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    • theneverfox@pawb.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You mean those extremely dangerous, highly specialized cars that require a trained athlete to drive?

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    • billwashere@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Not sure why you got down voted so much. Yeah those “wheels” look horrible. But I guess they are professional drivers. And all those buttons and knobs!!?

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      • Durandal@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Likely assumed I was defending the musk mobile rather than just making conversation. I spose I should have been more explicit.

        F1 racing is a way different type of driving than “normal” driving. Less need for lots of turning the wheel quickly and more need for controlling car features.

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  • AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I am a Knight Industries 2000 with a 1000 megabits of memory and a one nanosecond access time.

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• Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s great for Tesla, for one reason - modularity.

  If your input/control has a physical button, that immediately needs independent wiring, assembly steps, A THOUGHT OUT PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT PLAN, another BoM item to build the car/widget, and usually markings that limit its use for other functions (present and planned).

  Tesla can bury controls and change interfaces as much as they like on the main touchscreen, or even add new features. It’s still trash for driver usability except when parked for all the obvious reasons, but hey they get to ‘push’ new features over cellular networks as they’re developed. Y’know, instead of selling a complete product in the first place.

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  • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If your input/control has a physical button, that immediately needs independent wiring

    No it doesn’t. It just needs a PCB and a microcontroller connected to a CANbus. And that’s what we’ve had for decades.

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    • Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Wiring/PCB header or connector/common data hub yes - but my point was that has to be thought out ahead, and cannot be modified afterwards in the same way touch screens can

      BoM complexity and cross commonality is a challenge in manufacturing. It’s why we see all these ‘global platforms’ among automakers trying to build one unibody core subframe for all or most of their cars, adding different panels and roof assembly for an SUV or sedan respectively. Fewer parts to stock and build is a cost saving (for the manufacturer, don’t expect them to pass that saving along) - same with tactile controls.

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      • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        my point was that has to be thought out ahead

        Of course it does. The entire vehicle does. They don’t just not make the entire vehicle because they have to think about it. They think very hard about these things.

        and cannot be modified afterwards in the same way touch screens can

        There’s no reason you should have to modify anything. It doesn’t matter how you modify touchscreen controls, they will always be inferior to physical buttons and dials.

        BoM complexity and cross commonality is a challenge in manufacturing.

        So make them all use the same controls? You don’t need different climate controls or shifter controls or wiper controls for different vehicles. Many OEMs have standard controls across their entire lineup already.

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    • Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Wiring/PCB header or connector/common data hub yes - but my point was that has to be thought out ahead, and cannot be modified afterwards in the same way touch screens can

      BoM complexity and cross commonality is a challenge in manufacturing. It’s why we see all these ‘global platforms’ among automakers trying to build one unibody core subframe for all or most of their cars, adding different panels and roof assembly for an SUV or sedan respectively. Fewer parts to stock and build is a cost saving (for the manufacturer, don’t expect them to pass that saving along) - same with tactile controls.

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      • QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The (capacitive) turn signal buttons are on the steering wheel, not the touch screen. You’re thinking of the mirrors, wipers, etc., which is not what this article is about.

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  • DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s great for Tesla, for one reason - modularity.

    Not really as far as the touch controls on the steering wheel goes. They icons are static and can’t be changed, so their functionality is kind of tied to the icon.

    As for configuring additional controls for them, it’s exactly the same as if they were physical buttons, it’s all a wiring harness going to the computer either way, what that computer does with the input signal is not any less configurable for a physical button. The limiting factor is the static icon, not whether it’s touch/tactile.

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• LillyPip@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  As a user experience designer, we were having this discussion 15-20 years ago.

  I’m so glad everything we brought up at the time was completely ignored. Warms my heart.

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