It makes no claims to be scientific… so it’s measurably worthless?
You seem to be agreeing my dude
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IHadTwoCows@lemm.ee 11 months agoThere is no greater fucking idiot than the one who thinks a social gathering for discussion is subject to the rules of double-blind scientific testing. Watching some arrogant fucking shithead attempting to slander 12-stop programs as “not scientific” is hilarious because OF COURSE IT ISN’T SCIENTIFIC!! IT MAKES NO CLAIMS TO BE.
Scubus@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
IHadTwoCows@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Nope. It works for those it works for. It is social, not scientific. There is no possible way to measure it’s effectiveness because you can’t monitor the entire lives of everyone who has wandered into a meeting. For myself, I had no intention of quitting but went ro a meeting because a feiend asked me to. I never drank again after my very first meeting in 2004. Many, many others had relapse repeatedly. Others did not. But there is no way to know what the success rate is because nobody knows who we are or if we’ll ever drink again before we die. It is a program of suggestion only, with no requirements.
DriftinGrifter@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Damn bro rather be me without legs than you with millions you disgust me
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You measure these things with surveys and interviews and design statics. AA claims to have success and relapse numbers, but I’d prefer independently run ones. Not everything scientific needs to be or can be a double blind trial.
If it’s measurably, it can be improved. Even if AA works, does it have a better success rate then quitting cold turkey? Even if works, are there things that can be changed to make it work even better?
You’re a very bizarre form of evil.
You sound like you’re in a cult.
CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 11 months ago
That’s all fine and dandy until you get court ordered to attend these meetings as if it were a scientifically proven method of quitting drinking. It’d be like doing something bad and then being court ordered to attend church so that you can “gain a moral compass.”
IHadTwoCows@lemm.ee 11 months ago
That I agree with…but that’s a criminal justice problem
Crashumbc@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Out of curiosity, where are people being remanded to AA specifically?
Having some experience in those circles. Courts often order “recovery programs” not AA, usually some form outpatient/inpatient group therapy, run by licensed therapists.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 11 months ago
In the US, you can have court ordered AA f as punishment for alcoholic related crimes. This is sometimes given as an option over jail time or fines, so the legality is questionable, but people in those situations rarely know their rights or want to extend the court process.